The end of Work (?)

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Re: The end of Work (?)

Post by Doc » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:28 am

lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Doc wrote:
lzzrdgrrl wrote:There's no end of work. So long as poor life choices meet limited resources and consequences not thought through, there will always be a need for someone to untie that knot. Social services work is too resource poor to ever justify the capital expenses for automation......'>......

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... olete.html

https://robotanthropology.wordpress.com ... l-workers/


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... owner.html
I'm thinking of the general demographic i'm working with. They're not in the economic strata to be early adaptors of advanced AI technology. They (along with I) have an intense allergy for this sort of thing and with the whole SS system about to turn turtle, this is not a revenue stream to be driving advances in AI technology.......

From a rather more serious consideration, work isn't primarily an economic activity. It's an emanation of human being in social interaction and community building. People aren't only thinkers, they are thinkers and actors. Cutting the legs out from under an economy because bots can do it on cheaper coin is like cutting the legs off a frog and then when it doesn't jump on command, blaming it on going deaf........
dagbay wrote:If human curiosity is preserved than at least one task will remain. As of now we know that there is a lot more that we do not know than the same understanding of any human generation that came before us. This trend is actually equally consistent as the trend of diminishing of human labor. It is reasonable to assume that the quest will be far longer than we can foresee as the goal of the complete understanding of nature keeps getting further. So at least in that respect there will be always something for humans/machines to do, perhaps the limiting factor to this quest would be energy.
The limiting factor, at least for human beings is their limitations and their vulnerabilities. This is not even a technological problem so much as an existential one. Humans decide as much as learn or discover what they are, what they should do, who they should be and how they should affect all of this. Also....... our primary problem and the curse of the modern age, is not that we lack information but that we lack honesty and insight. That includes accepting some rather dark and ugly truths about ourselves including that some of our best motives are poisoned. Needless to say this won't be easy........
For humans if there is no purpose to life, there is no soul. If there is no soul, there is no life. "Optimism is cowardice" Optimism is the lost position or at least will be should things continue down the tunnel they are heading. There is a light at the end, but it has yet to be determined what the nature of that light is. Nor how far away it is. When it is finally determined - Whither humans? And how many will have adapted to the "new conditions of life"?
Now the giant city sucks the country dry, insatiably and incessantly demanding and devouring fresh streams of men, till it wearies and dies. … Primitive folk can loosen themselves from the soil and wander, but the intellectual nomad never. … Home is for him any one of these giant cities, but even the nearest village is alien territory. … Even disgust at this pretentiousness, weariness of the thousand-hued glitter, the taedium vitae that in the end overcomes many, does not set them free. They take the City with them into the mountains or on the sea. They have lost the country within themselves and will never regain it outside.
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The classes and the races to weak to master the new conditions of life must give way {..} They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust --Karl Marx

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Re: The end of Work (?)

Post by dagbay » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:28 pm

Cf. The thread on AI on the Sciences topic:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=47
I'd rather be diving or flying alas for now I am on terra firma.

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Re: The end of Work (?)

Post by Milo » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:12 pm

This is mandatory viewing for anyone who thinks humans can't be replaced by robots.

https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU

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Re: The end of Work (?)

Post by Hocketing Dad » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:54 pm

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Some mandatory reading for anyone who thinks humans can't be replaced by robots.

Male sex robots with 'bionic penis' to offer ultimate pleasure experience

MALE sex robots better with a bionic penis "better than a vibrator" will go all night long, Daily Star Online can reveal.

Fellas aren’t the only ones excited by the prospect of artificial intelligence.

Real women can’t wait to wrap their arms around the cyborg lovers, sex experts claim.

Robot blokes will be armed with batteries and eventually will be able to be electrically charged to keep them going for as long as they are needed, top CEO of luxury sex doll company Matt McMullen revealed.

Verbal cues will be built into the cyborg so he can “respond” to her desires – such as “faster”, “slower” and “keep doing that”.

Speaking exclusively to Daily Star Online, the sex robot pioneer said: “We’re going to be working into equation the ability to plug the robot in.

“If it’s got power and you’ve got it plugged in it will go as long as you want.”

Conversation and back stories are also vital for giving women the sexual experience they want in the bedroom, Matt added.

The robots will come in all shapes and sizes – with only the “sky as your limit”.

Cyborg lovers will be able to carry their female lovers around just like a real man in the bedroom when technology allows it, he said.

“For the male sex robot to be effective, he’s going to have to move," Matt added.

“He’s going to need hip movement – be able to actually ‘dance’ as it were.

“That’s going to make a bigger difference for women.”

David Levy, of New York bestseller Love & Sex with Robots, also believes women will “absolutely” splash out on sex robots – he points to the “massive” number who buy sex toys.

Good looking male cyborgs are going to be more enticing than vibrators, the top robotics expert explained.

Speaking exclusively to Daily Star Online, he said: “I’m sure women will find robots equally appealing as men.

"If women are that interested in getting satisfaction from a vibrator, imagine how the same women will feel having a robot they can put their arms round them and having the robot squeeze them.

“And do all sorts of things that vibrators can’t. A robot will look more like a human. It will have conversations.

“There is more to hold onto – you can put your arms round a body but you can’t put your arms round a vibrator.”

Female sex robots are going to be "MIND-BLOWING" in bed and the cyborgs will even have a PULSE.



You have to admit, the thrust of all this must inevitably, inexorably be trending in Milo's favor!

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Re: The end of Work (?)

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:01 pm

Good, I can dispense with the cats...;)....

But you will still have to do something with the idle and troublesome people and their phenomenal propensity to muck things up and willingness to dispense with survival as Freud suggests. Humans populate the world, giving them something to do lets that world exist. It's a non negotiable part of the contract no matter what the technics or the economics say.....'>.........
Let's try this modelling exercise. Let's envision a world in a parallel universe somewhere let's say, where I'm right.........

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Re: The end of Work (?)

Post by Jim the Moron » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:46 pm

Inevitably someone here is gonna post a video of a thrusting tomcat.

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Re: The end of Work (?)

Post by Doc » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:18 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:Inevitably someone here is gonna post a video of a thrusting tomcat.
https://youtu.be/JNrck2VLai4?t=68
The classes and the races to weak to master the new conditions of life must give way {..} They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust --Karl Marx

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Re: The end of Work (?)

Post by Jim the Moron » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:28 pm

Ouch! How about next time using some KY?

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Re: The end of Work (?)

Post by Doc » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:39 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:Ouch! How about next time using some KY?

Will jet fuel do? :D
The classes and the races to weak to master the new conditions of life must give way {..} They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust --Karl Marx

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Re: The end of Work (?)

Post by Milo » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:02 am

lzzrdgrrl wrote:Good, I can dispense with the cats...;)....

But you will still have to do something with the idle and troublesome people and their phenomenal propensity to muck things up and willingness to dispense with survival as Freud suggests. Humans populate the world, giving them something to do lets that world exist. It's a non negotiable part of the contract no matter what the technics or the economics say.....'>.........
But this technology also allows us to produce VR porn and all kinds of drugs for practically nothing.

We're about to find out if that's enough to modify most people.

My guess is, that it is.

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