Does Shiraz wine come from Iran ?

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Re: Vancouver, Asia-Pacific and multi-ethnicity.

Post by neverfail » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:34 am

Cp, Did you ever find Vancouver an "unfriendly" place as Appollonius alleges? ? During the short time I was there in 1978 I found the locals generally civil and welcoming. That's what gave me doubts about the truth in that allegation.

I think that I might have had second thoughts about the contents of my earlier post. I now realise that Vancouver residents might have experienced "Asia-Pacific" in the form of swarms of monied Chinese immigrants coming in and buying up anything that looks like prime real estate: therefore pushing up prices across the board and making decent housing non-affordable for a lot of the locals. A scenario like that tends to fuel resentment of foreigners.

Meantime, Canada has not enjoyed anything like the boom in exports to China that has benefited my country enormously. So the traffic from Asia to Vancouver might have been one sided and largely negative in terms of tangible effects on the fortunes of locals. (You may like to comment?)

It seems to me that advocates of multi-ethnic immigration fail to understand that to command public support for it you can only go so far in advocacy pumping benefits like "cultural diversity", etc. As I see it multi-ethnicity is a bit like good food or wine. A measure of it makes life more worth living. But too much and you get a negative reaction like a hangover or a severe tummy ache.

The recent emergence of anti-immigration movements and minority political parties of recent memory in several Western countries to me represent the reaction setting in.

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Re: Does Shiraz wine come from Iran ?

Post by Apollonius » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:18 am

You sound like a real estate agent, CP.



No doubt Vancouver looks different when you're a multi-millionaire.



It will be interesting to see what happens over the next couple of decades. Those who brought their money in from sweat shops and money laundering operations in Asia now have kids. By no means all of them are whiz kids. Many end up living at home until well past the age of 30 and working at retail jobs which insure that they won't be buying a house in Vancouver, probably not even a cheapo condominium.





I never liked Harper but Trudeau has turned out to be every bit as bad, quite possibly worse. Like Barack Obama, he has all the wrong friends.


The federal support benefits from the federal government (which last for one year) to Syrian migrants have run out for most of them and they're already turning up at the welfare offices.

Earlier Muslim immigrants to Canada at least had some skills. Not these most recent arrivals. It seems that this latest wave is likely to become ghettoized something like European Muslim immigrants.




Neverfail,


You are right, Vancouver benefits from the economic growth in the Pacific Rim. Everyone in the city is well aware of it. The problem with Vancouver might be that it tries to hard to be "world class city" and doesn't really cut the mustard. And in terms of livability I'd say it is well on its way to being Rio de Janeiro North.


There's a reason some people call British Columbia British California. One finds every extreme, everything it seems but moderation and good taste.


The bus stops in the municipality where CP lives, which incidently contains the most expensive properties in all of Canada, all have ads for real estate agents posted nearby. Occasionally you'll see one with a sticker that reads "Respect Canada's official languages" papered over the plug in Chinese. So far, though, ethnic relations in Vancouver are excellent. Chinese immigrants before 1997 were mostly Christian (and Cantonese speaking). They have been part of the fabric of the city since the beginning. It remains to be seen if the mainland Chinese who followed will integrate as well, but I expect they will. I worry more about our beloved Persians.



As you noted in your post, it really comes down to pace of change. It's too much too quickly, same as just about everywhere else in the Western world these days. And at this point it is only a select tier who profit from these high levels of immigration. For the rest, it means ever dimmer prospects for a decent job and a decent home. I think you have to be way out there in some elite bubble not to see this.

I think it's time to slow down. Wait and see how well people adapt to Canada. Give people who were born and raised here a chance to do the work and make their homes.




Cyclamen Persicum is right about one thing. The best parts of the province lie some distance from Vancouver. The Kootenays are especially nice.

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Re: Does Shiraz wine come from Iran ?

Post by SteveFoerster » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:51 am

I lived in Bellingham, Wash. for a while when I was university age, and we'd go to Vancouver from time to time. This would have been in the mid-90s, and Gastown already had some of the best Chinese food in the world, and UBC's campus was gorgeous. Great city. I actually might be back there in May for the first time since those days, for a conference. If so it will be interesting to see how it's changed.
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Re: Does Shiraz wine come from Iran ?

Post by neverfail » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:29 pm

Apollonius wrote:
Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:18 am
You sound like a real estate agent, CP.

No doubt Vancouver looks different when you're a multi-millionaire.
No,! sorry to disappoint Apollonius; but I am not a real estate agent and when I travel abroad (comparatively rare these days) I am decidedly in the economy-backpacker class.



It will be interesting to see what happens over the next couple of decades. Those who brought their money in from sweat shops and money laundering operations in Asia now have kids. By no means all of them are whiz kids. Many end up living at home until well past the age of 30 and working at retail jobs which insure that they won't be buying a house in Vancouver, probably not even a cheapo condominium.[/quote]

They have my sympathy. Glad I bought and paid off our home when I did because if I tried to do it now at today's prices I would have no hope.
Apollonius wrote:
Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:18 am

I never liked Harper but Trudeau has turned out to be every bit as bad, quite possibly worse. Like Barack Obama, he has all the wrong friends.


The federal support benefits from the federal government (which last for one year) to Syrian migrants have run out for most of them and they're already turning up at the welfare offices.

Earlier Muslim immigrants to Canada at least had some skills. Not these most recent arrivals. It seems that this latest wave is likely to become ghettoized something like European Muslim immigrants.
The "feel good" factor. Canada is not and cannot ever be bigger than it's clossal neighbour to the south so it feels that it has to prove itself better. I suspect mCanada suffers in a milder form from what I privately call the Kiwi syndrome: after the contrived smugness and sanctimony our hung-up neighbour traditionally displays towards us.
Apollonius wrote:
Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:18 am
Neverfail,


You are right, Vancouver benefits from the economic growth in the Pacific Rim. Everyone in the city is well aware of it. The problem with Vancouver might be that it tries to hard to be "world class city" and doesn't really cut the mustard. And in terms of livability I'd say it is well on its way to being Rio de Janeiro North.


There's a reason some people call British Columbia British California. One finds every extreme, everything it seems but moderation and good taste.


The bus stops in the municipality where CP lives, which incidently contains the most expensive properties in all of Canada, all have ads for real estate agents posted nearby. Occasionally you'll see one with a sticker that reads "Respect Canada's official languages" papered over the plug in Chinese. So far, though, ethnic relations in Vancouver are excellent. Chinese immigrants before 1997 were mostly Christian (and Cantonese speaking). They have been part of the fabric of the city since the beginning. It remains to be seen if the mainland Chinese who followed will integrate as well, but I expect they will. I worry more about our beloved Persians.



As you noted in your post, it really comes down to pace of change. It's too much too quickly, same as just about everywhere else in the Western world these days. And at this point it is only a select tier who profit from these high levels of immigration. For the rest, it means ever dimmer prospects for a decent job and a decent home. I think you have to be way out there in some elite bubble not to see this.

I think it's time to slow down. Wait and see how well people adapt to Canada. Give people who were born and raised here a chance to do the work and make their homes.




Cyclamen Persicum is right about one thing. The best parts of the province lie some distance from Vancouver. The Kootenays are especially nice.
Thanks so much for your reply Ap. I take note of your gentle "serve" at the expense of your naturalized compatriot.

By the way: does not the pseudonym Cyclamen Persicum have something of a "ring" about it that could conjure up the impression of "cyclone Persia"? :lol: :D

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Re: Does Shiraz wine come from Iran ?

Post by Cyclamen persicum » Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:50 pm

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To answer to all the post above,

Vancouver population is, my guess, at least 35% Chinese

There is, never has been, any Chinese (or any immigrant) on unemployment line, pretty much all on employment line usually ex European (Brits, Irish etc) .. they usually, to qualify for unemployment check, work for a few months, quit and go skiing a month or two, work again for a few months, quite and go sailing and fishing :lol:

The Chinese are in B.C since 100s of yrs, they built Canadian railways, Vancouver China town one of the kind in the world selling all kinds of never imagine things to eat, live turtle, dried this and that (there are 3rd generation Chinese still not speaking english) underground gambling in astronomical sums etc, Real China

A lot of good gardeners and all kind of service worker are Chinese .. Most Crimes done by white Canadians.

True, filthy rich Chinese do not bring much benefit, but, 98% of Chinese coming to Vancouver are "middle class", their middle class means already Canadian (multi) millionaire

UBC = university of British Colombia , now among the best in North America (Chinese have a quota, not more than so many - :lol:

Issue with Apollonius is, they can not match the Chinese in the field .. the best students and best Doctors and specialist in Vancouver .. 85% of them .. all specialist in Vancouver hospitals .. are either Chinese or Iranians educated in UBC or McGill .. often Canadian friends phone and ask whether I have special connection to (Iranian) doctor x to get a recommendation for their son or wife, often I can not help as these doctors (majority are Iranian lady doctors) are young generation and I don't know them personally.


To "SteveFoerster " if last time you visited Vancouver was 1990, you will not recognize Vancouver, and, if you love Japanese and Chinese food, Vancouver is one of the best places in the world for that and reasonably priced

To "Apollonius" I say, those loving West Coast style living would not live in BIG CITY Vancouver, rather on "Golf Islands" , Sunshine Coast and Vancouver Island .. many seniors now, they house worth maybe C$ 150K in yr 2000, now selling their house to those Chinese for $ 3 m , and move to Wine Country Okanagan or Vancouver Island.


To "neverfail", Canadian society, socially and in business community (and government) .. from my own experience and observation .. are extremely friendly and cooperative with Iranian community, always helpful when somebody hits potholes in life .. Though, no such a thing as "illegals" in Canada .. You can not swim to Canada and (seems) anybody asking for refugee status coming from US, US has the obligation to take them back if Canada asks.

All Iranian coming to Canada are "handpicked" .. cherry-picked .. point system .. must be young , with small children priority, academic priority, some money ..am told Canada considers Iranians as the best immigrants because they come and stay in Canada, children grow up here and assimilate and become Canadians for life .. no so with Chinese.

True, all this puts pressure on "Apollonius" folks .. but .. consider this : Canadian Parliament mandated government to bring 500,000 immigrant per year .. Canada needs this to grow economy and pay for social services and greying (white population).




Also now interesting .. climate change effecting Canada dramatically .. the corn and wheat belt in North America moving more to the north .. meaning more of Canada now and in future becoming liveable (in the past 85% of Canadians lived next to US boarder .. that band now will become wider) .. that means Canada can accommodate 100+ m population easily .. don't forget , 22% of Fresh Water in the world is in Canada :lol:


"Canada has some 20% of the world's total freshwater resources. However, less than half of this water -- about 7% of the global supply -- is "renewable". Most of it is fossil water retained in lakes, underground aquifers, and glaciers."

California asked for bulk water (Tanker) purchases .. Canada responded, Water Yes, but only in bottles :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Does Shiraz wine come from Iran ?

Post by SteveFoerster » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:05 pm

Cyclamen persicum wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:50 pm
To "SteveFoerster " if last time you visited Vancouver was 1990, you will not recognize Vancouver, and, if you love Japanese and Chinese food, Vancouver is one of the best places in the world for that and reasonably priced
That sounds excellent. And I'm vegan, and my understanding is that it's also a great city for that, so I'm golden.
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Re: Does Shiraz wine come from Iran ?

Post by Cyclamen persicum » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:41 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:05 pm
Cyclamen persicum wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:50 pm
To "SteveFoerster " if last time you visited Vancouver was 1990, you will not recognize Vancouver, and, if you love Japanese and Chinese food, Vancouver is one of the best places in the world for that and reasonably priced
That sounds excellent. And I'm vegan, and my understanding is that it's also a great city for that, so I'm golden.

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Will ask my vegetarian friends for places and what to eat and will post .. you eat seafood or pure Vegan ?


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Re: Does Shiraz wine come from Iran ?

Post by SteveFoerster » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:37 am

Cyclamen persicum wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:41 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:05 pm
Cyclamen persicum wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:50 pm
To "SteveFoerster " if last time you visited Vancouver was 1990, you will not recognize Vancouver, and, if you love Japanese and Chinese food, Vancouver is one of the best places in the world for that and reasonably priced
That sounds excellent. And I'm vegan, and my understanding is that it's also a great city for that, so I'm golden.
Will ask my vegetarian friends for places and what to eat and will post .. you eat seafood or pure Vegan ?
Actually vegan. Don't trouble them yet, though, as I still need to find out whether my workshop proposal for this conference has been accepted. :)
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Re: Does Shiraz wine come from Iran ?

Post by Cyclamen persicum » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:51 pm

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One of the most expensive art collections in the world is in Iran valued in the billions of dollars. T

It has been kept out of sight for over 40 years.

Just one of the art works is estimated at a value of over US $400 million dollars.

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Re: Does Shiraz wine come from Iran ?

Post by Cyclamen persicum » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:36 pm

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The first credible claim for the development of a real postal system comes from Ancient Persia


Persian empire was vast .. so , every 50 km , there was a resting place with fresh horses .. called Carvan Sara (Caravanserai) .. government mail were sent by special horse riders .. they rode day and night .. arriving on one Caravanserai, new rider and fresh horses took over for the next trip .. 24/7 .. so, a decree was sent from one side the empire to other (1000s of miles) within a week.


many of these Caravanserai now renovated .. the most famous one made to the most beautiful Hotel in all ME.



CNN
Iran's Abbasi :
The Middle East's most beautiful hotel



(CNN)Flick through almost any travel magazine these days and you're bound to come across an article hailing Iran as the next big destination.

Prompting the spike in interest in the Islamic Republic is recent geopolitical wrangling in the shape of a nuclear deal with world powers that has ended some longstanding sanctions.

But while the country is trying to modernize its tourism industry in the face of increasing visitor numbers -- 5.2 million came in 2016 and more are expected in 2017 -- its more traditional offerings still have the potential to charm.

None more so than the Abbasi Hotel, an opulent if careworn establishment located in the ancient city of Esfahan.

It's a place like no other.

Esfahan has its fair share of historical wonders (some which are UNESCO World Heritage sites), but in many ways the Abbasi has become a tourist attraction in its own right.

Built around 300 years ago, under the Safavid dynasty reign of Shah Sultan Husayn, it was originally used as a pit stop for merchants traveling the ancient Silk Road.

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