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Re: globalising your economy enhances wealth but diminishes national security.

Post by Sertorio » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:31 am

neverfail wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:45 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:26 am

To me, Marx is simply an amazingly clearsighted critic of capitalism. On the other hand, most of his political proposals were simply rubbish... The Social Doctrine of the Catholic Church and Liberation Theology have had a much bigger impact on my way of thinking than any Marxist ideas...
Cassowary, being a Wesleyan, would know nothing about the social doctrine of the Catholic Church (or even whether it has one?) and probably be unsympathetic towards it even if he did. As for "liberation theology" well; are you aware, Sertorio, that this was condemned and outlawed by Pope John Paul the Second?
Pope Francis seems to have a different opinion... He may not use the expression liberation theology, but what he does is very much what liberation theologists wanted to do...

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Re: globalising your economy enhances wealth but diminishes national security.

Post by neverfail » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:01 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:31 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:45 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:26 am

To me, Marx is simply an amazingly clearsighted critic of capitalism. On the other hand, most of his political proposals were simply rubbish... The Social Doctrine of the Catholic Church and Liberation Theology have had a much bigger impact on my way of thinking than any Marxist ideas...
Cassowary, being a Wesleyan, would know nothing about the social doctrine of the Catholic Church (or even whether it has one?) and probably be unsympathetic towards it even if he did. As for "liberation theology" well; are you aware, Sertorio, that this was condemned and outlawed by Pope John Paul the Second?
Pope Francis seems to have a different opinion... He may not use the expression liberation theology, but what he does is very much what liberation theologists wanted to do...
A very interesting observation Sertorio! In case I am missing something here, what has Pope francis said or done since his elevation to then pontificate that leads you to that conclusion?

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Re: globalising your economy enhances wealth but diminishes national security.

Post by SteveFoerster » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:28 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:31 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:45 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:26 am

To me, Marx is simply an amazingly clearsighted critic of capitalism. On the other hand, most of his political proposals were simply rubbish... The Social Doctrine of the Catholic Church and Liberation Theology have had a much bigger impact on my way of thinking than any Marxist ideas...
Cassowary, being a Wesleyan, would know nothing about the social doctrine of the Catholic Church (or even whether it has one?) and probably be unsympathetic towards it even if he did. As for "liberation theology" well; are you aware, Sertorio, that this was condemned and outlawed by Pope John Paul the Second?
Pope Francis seems to have a different opinion... He may not use the expression liberation theology, but what he does is very much what liberation theologists wanted to do...
For example, he calls for bans on all weapons, yet doesn't disarm his own bodyguards. Sounds communist to me....
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Re: globalising your economy enhances wealth but diminishes national security.

Post by neverfail » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:27 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:28 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:31 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:45 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:26 am

To me, Marx is simply an amazingly clearsighted critic of capitalism. On the other hand, most of his political proposals were simply rubbish... The Social Doctrine of the Catholic Church and Liberation Theology have had a much bigger impact on my way of thinking than any Marxist ideas...
Cassowary, being a Wesleyan, would know nothing about the social doctrine of the Catholic Church (or even whether it has one?) and probably be unsympathetic towards it even if he did. As for "liberation theology" well; are you aware, Sertorio, that this was condemned and outlawed by Pope John Paul the Second?
Pope Francis seems to have a different opinion... He may not use the expression liberation theology, but what he does is very much what liberation theologists wanted to do...
For example, he calls for bans on all weapons, yet doesn't disarm his own bodyguards. Sounds communist to me....
Unhelpful interjection, Steve!

Over to you, Sertorio,

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Re: globalising your economy enhances wealth but diminishes national security.

Post by SteveFoerster » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:08 am

neverfail wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:27 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:28 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:31 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:45 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:26 am

To me, Marx is simply an amazingly clearsighted critic of capitalism. On the other hand, most of his political proposals were simply rubbish... The Social Doctrine of the Catholic Church and Liberation Theology have had a much bigger impact on my way of thinking than any Marxist ideas...
Cassowary, being a Wesleyan, would know nothing about the social doctrine of the Catholic Church (or even whether it has one?) and probably be unsympathetic towards it even if he did. As for "liberation theology" well; are you aware, Sertorio, that this was condemned and outlawed by Pope John Paul the Second?
Pope Francis seems to have a different opinion... He may not use the expression liberation theology, but what he does is very much what liberation theologists wanted to do...
For example, he calls for bans on all weapons, yet doesn't disarm his own bodyguards. Sounds communist to me....
Unhelpful interjection, Steve!

Over to you, Sertorio,
Unhelpful? The hallmark of every socialist regime is the public calling for equality by those who live better than their fellows and intend to keep doing so. It's not a coincidence that Hugo Chavez's daughter is the wealthiest woman in South America, or that Soviet policymakers enjoyed a dacha lifestyle the likes of which the proletariat could only dream. If that gilded slipper fits Francis's foot, he can wear it.
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Re: globalising your economy enhances wealth but diminishes national security.

Post by Sertorio » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:44 am

neverfail wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:01 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:31 am

Pope Francis seems to have a different opinion... He may not use the expression liberation theology, but what he does is very much what liberation theologists wanted to do...
A very interesting observation Sertorio! In case I am missing something here, what has Pope francis said or done since his elevation to then pontificate that leads you to that conclusion?
The whole position of Pope Francis in respect of the poorer people, of minorities, and his compassion in respect of divorcees and gay people, for instance, very much is what one would have expected from liberation theologians. He is not afraid of siding with the weak and of trying to protect them from the powerful.

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Re: following the example of Jesus.

Post by neverfail » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:58 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:44 am

The whole position of Pope Francis in respect of the poorer people, of minorities, and his compassion in respect of divorcees and gay people, for instance, very much is what one would have expected from liberation theologians. He is not afraid of siding with the weak and of trying to protect them from the powerful.
A take on being christian now doubt gained from his past history of working among the down-and-outers of Buenos Aires during his time as Archbishop there.

Sounds like his way of following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ - who found his ministry among the equivalent people of his day and society.

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Re: globalising your economy enhances wealth but diminishes national security.

Post by neverfail » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:24 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:08 am

Unhelpful? The hallmark of every socialist regime is the public calling for equality by those who live better than their fellows and intend to keep doing so. It's not a coincidence that Hugo Chavez's daughter is the wealthiest woman in South America, or that Soviet policymakers enjoyed a dacha lifestyle the likes of which the proletariat could only dream. If that gilded slipper fits Francis's foot, he can wear it.
Do you remember how a Turkish gunman, acting at the behest of the Soviet KGB, attempted to assassinate Pope John Paul in 1981? No Pope can afford to dispense with his security detail; for out there he has enemies who would like to rub him out. I don't understand what you are quibbling on about Steve.

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Re: globalising your economy enhances wealth but diminishes national security.

Post by cassowary » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:11 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:08 am

Unhelpful? The hallmark of every socialist regime is the public calling for equality by those who live better than their fellows and intend to keep doing so.
Exactly and it ties in with what I told Neverfail and Sertorio. Inequality is a part of nature. It happens in both Capitalist and Socialist societies. The strongest will always get a larger share of the resources in that society. The difference is that believers in capitalism admit that this natural outcome is part of their economic system. The Socialists are hypocritical, preaching one thing to their deceived followers while doing another. They claim to be trying to achieve equality while enjoying inequality. Their efforts invariably produce poverty except for themselves.

The Law of Nature at work:

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One lion with many lionesses. That means some lions don't get any females. Inequality is natural.

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Re: Trump's Revenge: US floods EU with oil

Post by Doc » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:54 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:08 am
neverfail wrote:
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Jim the Moron wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:47 pm
Most nations desire energy self-sufficiency, just as they seek food self-sufficiency. Few are able to achieve either. America is one of the lucky exceptions.
Out here we do better than that Jim. We produce less than half our oil needs from our own wells but it does not seem to bother us. You see, receipts from our exports of coal and natural gas cancel out the cost of our oil imports several times over. One could even speak of an "hydrocarbons current account" in which Australia runs a massive surplus.

We are clever bastards. In South Africa they had to build a large, expensive plant to extract motor spirit from coal. But we convert coal into oil far more cheaply simply by exporting coal and using some of the foreign exchange receipts to pay for our oil imports. 8-)
Jim the Moron wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:47 pm
As it happens, fossil fuel resources in North America are going to be available for exploitation for decades to come. Maybe someday there may be viable alternatives. It is understood that folks not disposed to view America with favor are distressed by this reality.
:o May God bless America and all who sail in her, Jim.

You might be unpleasantly surprised at how swiftly your oil reserves become depleted. The trouble with low prices is that it encourages more rapid usage (and waste).
Just a thought:

Portugal does not produce oil and, for a long time, we hoped oil would be found somewhere on our territory, so that we could save so much of the money we spend importing oil. A couple of years ago it was discovered that we might have oil after all, and some licenses were issued for drilling, on and offshore, in order to check whether we have enough oil to make it worthwhile exploiting.

The interesting thing is that a national movement developed to stop such drilling being carried out, and it seems that it will be successful. Arguments? Eventual oil spillage might affect our tourism industry, one of our most rewarding activities, and destroy the environment. Also, we are on the way to becoming self-sufficient in energy, using only renewable sources. In the past month of March, we produced more energy from renewables than we spent, and by 2040, at the latest, all our energy needs will be satisfied by such sources.

So, there is an alternative to producing oil at any cost and whatever the risks. Cass is very happy about the US flooding the market with shale oil, in spite of the damage it causes to the environment. As we are less capitalistic minded in Portugal than Americans are, we feel it isn't worthwhile. So, no matter how much oil there may be hidden in our underground, we will stick to renewables. God bless Portugal... :D :D :D
Solar and wind are not cheaper than oil. THere is lenty og Natural Gas in Europe particularly France but it is illegal to drill for it there as well

But answer this question -- How is it possible that the US is the only developed nation to meet the Kyoto treaty even though it never even ratified it?
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