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China's View on the Syria Strike

Post by Sertorio » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:30 am

US, allies risk Russian retaliation in Syrian attack
Global Times Published: 2018/4/14 12:59:53
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1097887.shtml

US President Donald Trump announced on Friday he ordered strikes on the Syrian regime in response to a chemical attack last weekend. He said the strikes were in coordination with France and the United Kingdom. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said his country is being "invaded" by the three countries. The Russian Embassy in the USA said in a statement that "insulting the President of Russia is unacceptable and inadmissible."

In a sensational statement, Trump asserted the Bashar Assad government used chemical weapons on civilians. He said "The evil and the despicable attack left mothers and fathers, infants and children thrashing in pain and gasping for air. These are not the actions of a man. They are crimes of a monster instead."Trump also warned "Russia must decide if it will continue down this dark path or if it will join with civilized nations as a force for stability and peace."

The facts cannot be distorted. This military strike was not authorized by the UN, and the strikes targeted a legal government of a UN member state. The US and its European allies launched strikes to punish President Bashar al-Assad for a suspected chemical attack in Duma last weekend. However, it has not been confirmed if the chemical weapons attack happened or if it did, whether government forces or opposition forces launched it. International organizations have not carried out any authoritative investigation.

The Syrian government has repeatedly stressed that there is no need for it to use chemical weapons to capture the opposition-controlled Duma city and the use of chemical weapons has provided an excuse for Western intervention. The Syrian government's argument or Trump's accusations against the "evil" Assad regime, which one is in line with basic logic? The answer is quite obvious.

The US has a record of launching wars on deceptive grounds. The Bush government asserted the Saddam regime held chemical weapons before the US-British coalition troops invaded Iraq in 2003. However, the coalition forces didn't find what they called weapons of mass destruction after overthrowing the Saddam regime. Both Washington and London admitted later that their intelligence was false.

Washington's attack on Syria where Russian troops are stationed constitute serious contempt for Russia's military capabilities and political dignity. Trump, like scolding a pupil, called on Moscow, one of the world's leading nuclear powers, to abandon its "dark path." Disturbingly, Washington seems to have become addicted to mocking Russia in this way. Russia is capable of launching a destructive retaliatory attack on the West. Russia's weak economy is plagued by Western sanctions and squeezing of its strategic space. That the West provokes Russia in such a manner is irresponsible for world peace.

The situation is still fomenting. The Trump administration said it will sustain the strikes. But how long will the military action continue and whether Russia will fight back as it claimed previously remain uncertain. Western countries continue bullying Russia but are seemingly not afraid of its possible counterattack. Their arrogance breeds risk and danger.
China voted for the Russian draft motion on the UNSC. That means something, which western countries should not ignore. They are playing with fire, or do they think they could win a war against both Russia and China?...

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Re: China's View on the Syria Strike

Post by Jim the Moron » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:25 pm

Why is it that I don't believe the Chinese would go to war with the US over support for the butcher Assad?

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Re: China's View on the Syria Strike

Post by Doc » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:29 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:25 pm
Why is it that I don't believe the Chinese would go to war with the US over support for the butcher Assad?

I don't know Jim. Maybe you are a "dead horse" that hasn't been beaten enough. :D
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Re: China's View on the Syria Strike

Post by Sertorio » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:39 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:25 pm
Why is it that I don't believe the Chinese would go to war with the US over support for the butcher Assad?
Assad is no more butcher than Trump, Bush, and most American presidents. Actually Bashar al-Assad is an ophthalmologist who worked for several years in the UK. It is very unlikely that such a person would become a "monster" or an "animal" after becoming President. Crimes attributed to him may have been the responsibility of other Baath politicians, and I doubt he is guilty of personally ordering the murder of anyone. If he is responsible for the death of many people in the course of the present war, his responsibility is not greater than that of Bush, Obama or Trump, for the many atrocities committed by the US troops, namely through the use of torture, killing innocents by drones and other "collateral" damage. But, of course, one needs to demonize him, just like our grandparents demonized the Kaiser, because that's the way you can stir the ignorant masses against the "enemy", and get them to accept being slaughtered in the battlefield, in the name of "civilization"...

Some interesting results of a poll conducted in Syria by the London based ORB International:

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Re: China's View on the Syria Strike

Post by Doc » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:16 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:39 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:25 pm
Why is it that I don't believe the Chinese would go to war with the US over support for the butcher Assad?
Assad is no more butcher than Trump, Bush, and most American presidents. Actually Bashar al-Assad is an ophthalmologist who worked for several years in the UK. It is very unlikely that such a person would become a "monster" or an "animal" after becoming President. Crimes attributed to him may have been the responsibility of other Baath politicians, and I doubt he is guilty of personally ordering the murder of anyone. If he is responsible for the death of many people in the course of the present war, his responsibility is not greater than that of Bush, Obama or Trump, for the many atrocities committed by the US troops, namely through the use of torture, killing innocents by drones and other "collateral" damage. But, of course, one needs to demonize him, just like our grandparents demonized the Kaiser, because that's the way you can stir the ignorant masses against the "enemy", and get them to accept being slaughtered in the battlefield, in the name of "civilization"...

Some interesting results of a poll conducted in Syria by the London based ORB International:

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ORB International Surveys in Syria are Probably Worthless.
A Syrian activist Abu Ibrahim Raqqawi described these results as “crap”. ORB would not provide RFERL with information about the polling methodology used in Raqqa (being parsimonious about methodology information was also a complaint in the ORB Iraq deaths survey). Johnny Heald who runs ORB told the BBC that IS agreed to the poll because “as the data verifies, many of those living in Raqqa now are happier since IS took over.” This suggests ORB sought permission from IS to conduct the poll. Since Islamic State is also widely reported as ruthlessly suppressing free speech, it seems highly unlikely the people surveyed were chosen at random and allowed to freely express themselves.

As the Assad regime has also been widely reported for over forty years as ruthlessly suppressing free speech, it seems highly likely the same problem applies to ORB surveys in regime controlled areas. According to the 2015 survey 67% in regime controlled Damascus felt Bashar al-Assad had a completely positive influence, while 23% felt Assad had a “somewhat positive influence”. In Idlib the figures were 5% and 4%.

There is not much on the ORB International’s slick website about methodology. The BBC article on the ORB poll it commissioned contains more information ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34173549 ): “ More than 14 supervisors and 40 interviewers travelled throughout the country to collect data. ‘It starts with one week’s training in southern Turkey where the supervisors come to Gaziantep and we go through the methodology, the questionnaire and the quality control procedures,’ Mr Heald said. ‘We pilot the questionnaire before it is fielded. We then ensure we have the relative permits/permissions to operate and undertake a risk assessment.’ ”

It seems likely then that ORB conducted their surveys in regime areas with Assad Regime permission, and must assume with the regime’s supervision in some form. Therefore negative or even neutral attitudes to Bashar al-Assad could not have been freely expressed to the ORB survey, and so it is reasonable to question if these parts of the survey have any meaning.

It also reasonable to suggest that different standards apply to the expected reliability of public opinion polls conducted domestically as opposed to those conducted abroad. In the same way as they do to the reporting of domestic and foreign news. A news reporting organization in the UK like the BBC is held to higher standards of impartiality in domestic reporting than in foreign reporting. In practice it is not expected to always be journalistically objective, but only to balance differing popular domestic opinions. There is no large constituency of pro-Syrian Revolution opinion in the UK, which means the BBC can commission and report dubious surveys from ORB, and not get any backlash. Indeed ORB’s reputation has not suffered in the media market due to their probably highly inaccurate Iraqi death toll survey. As Johnny Heald blithely said it was only an estimate. These estimates influence popular support or opposition to foreign policies, and so potentially effects the lives of millions of people.

The effect of the ORB poll has been reflected in countless internet article like this: “Suppose a respectable opinion poll found that Bashar al-Assad has more support than the Western-backed opposition. Would that not be major news?” ( https://news.alayham.com/content/suppos ... ern-backed ). The impression of ORB’s Syria surveys is to reinforce the idea that Assad or Islamic Extremists are highly popular with ordinary Syrians, and so the West’s intervention should be avoided. This closes down the popular debate that is urgently needed on good and bad intervention, which should keep the brutal dictators and the Western vested interests happy.
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Re: China's View on the Syria Strike

Post by Sertorio » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:23 pm

Of course ORB International is not reliable! They don't show what some people want to see!... :lol:

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