Life Under Kim Jong Un

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Jim the Moron
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Re: Life Under Kim Jong Un

Post by Jim the Moron » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:52 pm

"Inside the other Korea"

https://graphics.straitstimes.com/STI/S ... index.html

"This is the public face of North Korea, the only one a visitor is allowed to see."

Good detail and photos . . .

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Re: any one party state is ultimately self-destructive.

Post by neverfail » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:12 am

Milo wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:48 pm
BTW Cass, now that Singapore has an economy that is thriving, where is the development of human rights part? If anything it would appear that Singapore is going backwards in that area.

"The AGC filed an application in the High Court in August to start committal proceedings against Mr Li, after he failed to take down a Facebook post saying that “the Singapore government is very litigious and has a pliant court system”.

His comments online were made on the back of a public dispute between his uncle the Prime Minister, as well as his father Lee Hsien Yang and his aunt Lee Wei Ling."


http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/sin ... im-9466974
Milo, it is well known that Lee Kwan Yew employed one of the World's most stringent defamation laws to destroy any newly emerging political opponent. Instead of sending them to jail he would bankrupt them with the awarded damages. This is the reason why no party of Opposition has ever been able to form up within their parliament. I am sure that the ruling party would have continued that low practice ever since.

This myopic, unofficial policy I believe will eventually bring about Singapore's undoing. As with the Communist Party in China the (so called) Peoples Action Party in Singapore seems to be accountable to no one but itself.

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Re: Life Under Kim Jong Un

Post by Jim the Moron » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:35 am

It's all about outcomes, isn't it? Singapore is a successful nation-state by about any measure one chooses. And that's not just by comparisons with other SE Asia countries - it's true internationally. Look at business, technology, ranking of universities, quality of life . . .

The majority of Singaporeans are unlikely to throw all of that away by supporting some envious Islamic political movement or some other anti-establishment outfit there. So, those wishing for the destruction of Singapore must look outside its borders for support.

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Re: Life Under Kim Jong Un

Post by Sertorio » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:54 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:52 pm
"Inside the other Korea"

https://graphics.straitstimes.com/STI/S ... index.html

"This is the public face of North Korea, the only one a visitor is allowed to see."

Good detail and photos . . .
We must realize that Asians are not Eurpeans or Americans. They have a long tradition of autocratic government and may feel less unhappy about it than we would. Life conditions in Pyongyang may not be representative of what exist elsewhere in North Korea, but elsewhere they are unlikely to be as bad as we like to think in the West. After all you need a significant production basis to build even one single city as Pyongyang, since imports are mostly out of the question. Which means there will be factories and employment opportunities for North Koreans. And food production must be sufficient to feed the population, even if shortages may occur. Maybe we should stop trying to change North Korea, and accept that North Koreans may not be as unhappy as we think. As long as North Korea does not interfere with its neighbours, maybe we should leave it alone.

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Re: Life Under Kim Jong Un

Post by Jim the Moron » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:51 am

"As long as North Korea does not interfere with its neighbours, maybe we should leave it alone." (Sertorio)

Yes. We don't know what the future holds. The Saudis, the Japanese, and others might get nukes. Who wants to be obliterated first? Raise your hand. The correct answer? No one.

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Re: Life Under Kim Jong Un

Post by Sertorio » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:44 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:51 am
"As long as North Korea does not interfere with its neighbours, maybe we should leave it alone." (Sertorio)

Yes. We don't know what the future holds. The Saudis, the Japanese, and others might get nukes. Who wants to be obliterated first? Raise your hand. The correct answer? No one.
Nuclear weapons are not for aggressive purposes, they are a deterrent. The only countries I know which may consider nukes as attack weapons are the US... And Israel...And maybe Pakistan...

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Re: Life Under Kim Jong Un

Post by neverfail » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:36 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:54 am
Maybe we should stop trying to change North Korea, and accept that North Koreans may not be as unhappy as we think.
Ignorance is strength! :(

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Re: Life Under Kim Jong Un

Post by neverfail » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:37 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:44 am

Nuclear weapons are not for aggressive purposes, they are a deterrent.
Try telling that to the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki one day, Sertorio!

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Re: Life Under Kim Jong Un

Post by neverfail » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:42 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:35 am
It's all about outcomes, isn't it? Singapore is a successful nation-state by about any measure one chooses. And that's not just by comparisons with other SE Asia countries - it's true internationally. Look at business, technology, ranking of universities, quality of life . . .

The majority of Singaporeans are unlikely to throw all of that away by supporting some envious Islamic political movement or some other anti-establishment outfit there. So, those wishing for the destruction of Singapore must look outside its borders for support.
Who said anything about throwing it all away Jim? What I visualise is an organised loyal opposition powerful enough to hold the government to account.

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Re: Life Under Kim Jong Un

Post by Sertorio » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:22 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:37 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:44 am

Nuclear weapons are not for aggressive purposes, they are a deterrent.
Try telling that to the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki one day, Sertorio!
If you read my previous post you saw that I consider the US as one of the very few countries which would use nuclear weapons aggressively...

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