ISIS on the run under Trump

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ISIS on the run under Trump

Post by cassowary » Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:09 pm

ISIS on the run under Trump
Former President Barack Obama had allowed the ISIS cancer to metastasize in the first place, leading to the killing, maiming, kidnapping and sexual enslavement of many thousands of innocent men, women and children. That is because Obama initially considered ISIS a “J.V. team” and then failed to prosecute a meaningful counter-strategy to quickly eliminate the ISIS scourge before its killing machine could become a regional and then a global threat. There has been huge slaughter and a global security threat unleashed thanks to Obama's handling of ISIS, and the reverse of that trend under President Trump.

When Obama left office in January 2017, after years of ISIS expansion and atrocities, the ISIS threat was finally beginning to recede in his slow war of attrition. However, ISIS still held on to significant territories in Iraq and Syria. While Obama slow rolled the fight against ISIS under overly restrictive rules of engagement that centralized tactical decision-making in the White House, President Trump has taken the gloves off. As commander-in-chief, he set the overall strategy and trusted his military to carry out their battle plans in the field with minimum interference and second-guessing. As a result, ISIS is finally on the run. ISIS territory has been reclaimed at a faster rate under President Trump than under Obama, with nearly a third of the territory taken by ISIS in Iraq and Syria since 2014 recovered during the first six months of the Trump administration.

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Re: ISIS on the run under Trump

Post by dagbay » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:28 pm

It is amazing what you can do to an enemy if there are no restrictions and you have superior air power. The strategy is simple and lethal. To allow Iraqi Shia militias to advance into ISIS territory the US uses air power to demolish everything on the ground taller than grass. The amount of destruction is seen in videos of the areas in Mosule and other villages. But there is a complete censorship on the collateral civilian casualties. The Iraqi militias then move in and murder all the Sunni survivors.

But ISIS is alive and kicking back. It flees to the desert and regroups to attack and take back areas it lost. In Syria it mounted a successful takeover of an area by the lebanon boarder surprise Assad and the Russians. It has managed to infiltrate the Assad forces and precision bomb the Russian command center timed to kill the highest ranking Russian general in Syria along with many of the brass and Hisballa commanders.

Very little info is being reported and there is a lot of disinformation.
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Re: even when America wins it still loses.

Post by neverfail » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:24 am

Thank's dagbay for your more thoughtful assessment of the situation.

Sure cassowary! Whoever wins in Iraq and Syria all depends entirely on who is the US president. Local factors in the Middle East count for nothing.

If the Iraqi government forces are driving out ISIS that can only mean that the Shias are tightening their grip on the Sunni north. Big geostrategic gain for Iran.

For as long as the US government treats Iran as "the enemy" the defeat of ISIS is no American victory.

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Re: ISIS on the run under Trump

Post by Sertorio » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:41 am

cassowary wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:09 pm
ISIS on the run under Trump
Former President Barack Obama had allowed the ISIS cancer to metastasize in the first place, leading to the killing, maiming, kidnapping and sexual enslavement of many thousands of innocent men, women and children. That is because Obama initially considered ISIS a “J.V. team” and then failed to prosecute a meaningful counter-strategy to quickly eliminate the ISIS scourge before its killing machine could become a regional and then a global threat. There has been huge slaughter and a global security threat unleashed thanks to Obama's handling of ISIS, and the reverse of that trend under President Trump.

When Obama left office in January 2017, after years of ISIS expansion and atrocities, the ISIS threat was finally beginning to recede in his slow war of attrition. However, ISIS still held on to significant territories in Iraq and Syria. While Obama slow rolled the fight against ISIS under overly restrictive rules of engagement that centralized tactical decision-making in the White House, President Trump has taken the gloves off. As commander-in-chief, he set the overall strategy and trusted his military to carry out their battle plans in the field with minimum interference and second-guessing. As a result, ISIS is finally on the run. ISIS territory has been reclaimed at a faster rate under President Trump than under Obama, with nearly a third of the territory taken by ISIS in Iraq and Syria since 2014 recovered during the first six months of the Trump administration.
It's amazing how you succeed in referring to the ISIS defeat without even once mentioning the role Russia's air force has played in that defeat. Had it not been for Russia's success in Syria and Trump would still be using ISIS as a tool to get rid of Bashar al-Assad. And maybe you should have also mentioned the wholesale killing of civilians by the US air force, mostly in Mossul and Raqqa. The US intervention in the ME has, once more, been an unmitigated disaster for the locals, even if belatedly it may have contributed to some of ISIS losses. And next we are going to see the US - and Israel - supporting the Kurds against Iraq and Syria, in a further attempt at destabilization of the whole ME. Much as I would like the emergence of a Kurdistan, I'm afraid the US will support it for all the wrong reasons.

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Re: ISIS on the run under Trump

Post by neverfail » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:36 pm

cassowary wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:09 pm
ISIS on the run under Trump
Former President Barack Obama had allowed the ISIS cancer to metastasize in the first place, .....
:?: Allowed it to happen? :? :? :?

Oh yeah, sure! As though something like ISIS needed the consent of a US president in order to metabolize.

What a megalomaniac definition of the sort of power a US president can wield.

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Re: even when America wins it still loses.

Post by cassowary » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:52 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:24 am

If the Iraqi government forces are driving out ISIS that can only mean that the Shias are tightening their grip on the Sunni north. Big geostrategic gain for Iran.
Maybe or maybe not. I think Trump's assistance has restored some American influence in Iraq. It lessens their dependency on Iran. Even if what you say is true, this is still the way forward.

Do you think the US should have left Europe alone because defeating Hitler meant that you are helping Stalin? Both Hitler and Stalin were Socialist monsters. Yet the Allies temporarily allied themselves with Stalin to defeat Hitler. Of course, once Hitler was defeated, the Allies and the Soviet Union became enemies overnight.

Eventually, Reagan allied with the Afghan Mujahideen freedom fighters to defeat the Russians. Soon after the Russians were defeated, the Afghans fell under the Taliban and became US enemies. No doubt some of the Mujahideen freedom fighters became the Taliban.

That's the way it goes, Neverfail.

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Side Issue:

ISIS and the Iranian regime are like Hitler and Stalin. Both are radical Islamists just as Hitler and Stalin were socialists. It is just that one side is Sunni and the other is Shiite. In the same way, Hitler was National Socialist and Stalin was International Socialist.

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Re: even when America wins it still loses.

Post by neverfail » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:46 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:24 am

If the Iraqi government forces are driving out ISIS that can only mean that the Shias are tightening their grip on the Sunni north. Big geostrategic gain for Iran.
cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:52 pm
Maybe or maybe not. I think Trump's assistance has restored some American influence in Iraq. It lessens their dependency on Iran. Even if what you say is true, this is still the way forward.
Except that Iran is the power right next door to Iraq and America the much more distant power on the other side of the Earth's northern hemisphere. Furthermore, the majority population of Iraq and its current rulers share the same sort of (Shia) Islam as Iran whereas the USA by Muslim definition is a kafir nation. Out of the two I know which I would place my money on for having the staying power in terms of long term influence.
cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:52 pm

ISIS and the Iranian regime are like Hitler and Stalin. Both are radical Islamists just as Hitler and Stalin were socialists. It is just that one side is Sunni and the other is Shiite. In the same way, Hitler was National Socialist and Stalin was International Socialist.
I do not accept your 'one is as bad as the other' analogy cassowary: if only because Iran is an already a well established state that usually behaves like one whereas IS (the aspirant Sunni caliphate) is more like a psychopathic cause that places no bounds upon itself in pursuit of its megalomaniac goals and ambitions. If the powers-that-be in Washington DC could only shed their puerile grudge and forgive the 1979 storming of the US embassy in Tehran, they might even be able to line this country up as their chief ally in the Middle East.

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Re: even when America wins it still loses.

Post by Doc » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:40 pm

neverfail wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:46 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:24 am

If the Iraqi government forces are driving out ISIS that can only mean that the Shias are tightening their grip on the Sunni north. Big geostrategic gain for Iran.
cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:52 pm
Maybe or maybe not. I think Trump's assistance has restored some American influence in Iraq. It lessens their dependency on Iran. Even if what you say is true, this is still the way forward.
Except that Iran is the power right next door to Iraq and America the much more distant power on the other side of the Earth's northern hemisphere. Furthermore, the majority population of Iraq and its current rulers share the same sort of (Shia) Islam as Iran whereas the USA by Muslim definition is a kafir nation. Out of the two I know which I would place my money on for having the staying power in terms of long term influence.
cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:52 pm

ISIS and the Iranian regime are like Hitler and Stalin. Both are radical Islamists just as Hitler and Stalin were socialists. It is just that one side is Sunni and the other is Shiite. In the same way, Hitler was National Socialist and Stalin was International Socialist.
I do not accept your 'one is as bad as the other' analogy cassowary: if only because Iran is an already a well established state that usually behaves like one whereas IS (the aspirant Sunni caliphate) is more like a psychopathic cause that places no bounds upon itself in pursuit of its megalomaniac goals and ambitions. If the powers-that-be in Washington DC could only shed their puerile grudge and forgive the 1979 storming of the US embassy in Tehran, they might even be able to line this country up as their chief ally in the Middle East.
Iran has never behaved
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Re: even when America wins it still loses.

Post by cassowary » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:13 pm

neverfail wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:46 pm

I do not accept your 'one is as bad as the other' analogy cassowary: if only because Iran is an already a well established state that usually behaves like one whereas IS (the aspirant Sunni caliphate) is more like a psychopathic cause that places no bounds upon itself in pursuit of its megalomaniac goals and ambitions. If the powers-that-be in Washington DC could only shed their puerile grudge and forgive the 1979 storming of the US embassy in Tehran, they might even be able to line this country up as their chief ally in the Middle East.
Oh yes, they are in ideology. The only difference is one is shiite and the other is Sunni. Both believe Jews are inherently evil. Both believe that Jews have been ordained by Allah for complete annihilation at the hands of Muslims before the End Times. Both follow Sharia law which of course discriminates against religious minorities and women.

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Re: even when America wins it still loses.

Post by Milo » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:11 pm

Doc wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:40 pm
neverfail wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:46 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:24 am

If the Iraqi government forces are driving out ISIS that can only mean that the Shias are tightening their grip on the Sunni north. Big geostrategic gain for Iran.
cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:52 pm
Maybe or maybe not. I think Trump's assistance has restored some American influence in Iraq. It lessens their dependency on Iran. Even if what you say is true, this is still the way forward.
Except that Iran is the power right next door to Iraq and America the much more distant power on the other side of the Earth's northern hemisphere. Furthermore, the majority population of Iraq and its current rulers share the same sort of (Shia) Islam as Iran whereas the USA by Muslim definition is a kafir nation. Out of the two I know which I would place my money on for having the staying power in terms of long term influence.
cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:52 pm

ISIS and the Iranian regime are like Hitler and Stalin. Both are radical Islamists just as Hitler and Stalin were socialists. It is just that one side is Sunni and the other is Shiite. In the same way, Hitler was National Socialist and Stalin was International Socialist.
I do not accept your 'one is as bad as the other' analogy cassowary: if only because Iran is an already a well established state that usually behaves like one whereas IS (the aspirant Sunni caliphate) is more like a psychopathic cause that places no bounds upon itself in pursuit of its megalomaniac goals and ambitions. If the powers-that-be in Washington DC could only shed their puerile grudge and forgive the 1979 storming of the US embassy in Tehran, they might even be able to line this country up as their chief ally in the Middle East.
Iran has never behaved
Never is a long time.

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