The Bells of Barcelona toll for Europe

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The Bells of Barcelona toll for Europe

Post by cassowary » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:51 am

The Bells of Barcelona toll for Europe... by Spengler (Remember him?)
They (the Catalans) are tired of subsidizing the backward money-sinks of Spain’s southern provinces ; they are hard-working and productive, and want to separate from the economically irreparable parts of Spain (the bums).
The Catalans don't want to subsidize the bums of Spain. The bums of Spain falls mainly on the South.
As I wrote on Sept. 30, the unifying theme in Germany’s Sept. 24 election was voter repudiation of bailouts of Germany’s neighbors.
The Germans don't want to subsidize the bums of Europe. Again the bums are in the south.

Its the same problem in Socialism where the productive have to subsidize the bums.

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Re: The Bells of Barcelona toll for Europe

Post by Sertorio » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:53 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:51 am
The Bells of Barcelona toll for Europe... by Spengler (Remember him?)
They (the Catalans) are tired of subsidizing the backward money-sinks of Spain’s southern provinces ; they are hard-working and productive, and want to separate from the economically irreparable parts of Spain (the bums).
The Catalans don't want to subsidize the bums of Spain. The bums of Spain falls mainly on the South.
As I wrote on Sept. 30, the unifying theme in Germany’s Sept. 24 election was voter repudiation of bailouts of Germany’s neighbors.
The Germans don't want to subsidize the bums of Europe. Again the bums are in the south.

Its the same problem in Socialism where the productive have to subsidize the bums.
Damn the South!... I can't wait for the next pole reversal, when the South becomes the North and vice-versa...

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Re: The Bells of Barcelona toll for Europe

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:16 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:51 am
The bums of Spain falls mainly on the South.
It just doesn't have the same ring to it as the original, does it Professor Higgins? :twisted:
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Re: The Bells of Barcelona toll for Europe

Post by cassowary » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:27 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:16 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:51 am
The bums of Spain falls mainly on the South.
It just doesn't have the same ring to it as the original, does it Professor Higgins? :twisted:
No, it does not. How about, "The bums of Spain falls mainly on the buttum?"

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Re: The Bells of Barcelona toll for Europe

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Re: The Bells of Barcelona toll for Europe

Post by cassowary » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:29 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:53 am

Damn the South!... I can't wait for the next pole reversal, when the South becomes the North and vice-versa...

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:lol: That's funny, Sertorio. Keep it up!

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Re: now, let's not get too eager about this new development...

Post by neverfail » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:07 am

(quote) If Catalonia declares independence from Spain next week – as its leaders say it will, after 2 million people voted in favour last Sunday – it will not be the first time. And it has never ended well.(unquote)

http://www.theage.com.au/world/cataloni ... yvhc3.html

Spain cannot afford to lose Catalonia.

When all else fails, send in the armed forces.

You think it can't happen, do you? Well, watch this space.

The ultimate victim of Catalonia's attempted secession is likely to be Spanish democracy.

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Catalan separatists will fail

Post by Alexis » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:39 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:07 am
http://www.theage.com.au/world/cataloni ... yvhc3.html

Spain cannot afford to lose Catalonia.

When all else fails, send in the armed forces.

You think it can't happen, do you? Well, watch this space.

The ultimate victim of Catalonia's attempted secession is likely to be Spanish democracy.
Catalan separatists will fail, that's virtually guaranteed.

All the Spanish government has to do to win the day is to simply continue to insist relentlessly on applying the law, all of the law, nothing but the law, beginning with the Constitution, like any government is supposed to. Unsurprisingly, that's what they are doing.

That will ensure that any attempt at applying a possible declaration of independence is blocked. Demonstrations and strikes by independentists are probable, however all that they will ensure is continuous deterioration of economic condition of the Catalan province - which has already begun with many banks and companies deciding or contemplating moving outside of Catalonia. The Spanish government can afford that - albeit they probably would prefer it did not take place - but the separatists can't: this will discourage part of the independists and bolster their adversaries - pro-Spain demonstrations in Catalonia are becoming more frequent.

At the same time, it's becoming clearer that separatists have no ally abroad whatsover - except for Venezuela's Maduro, maybe :roll: Other European countries have made it clear that if Catalonia separates from Spain illegally, moreover after a vote that was a charade of a referendum very far from any standard for democracy, they will be by that very fact outside of the EU. This, while a lot of independentists however were counting on possibility to remain in the EU.

From the point of view of political strategy, separatists are in a hopeless position.

After the troubles are over, new regional elections will probably be organized. Expect independentists to be a minority in the new parliament.

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Re: Catalan separatists will fail

Post by Doc » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:08 am

Alexis wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:39 am
neverfail wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:07 am
http://www.theage.com.au/world/cataloni ... yvhc3.html

Spain cannot afford to lose Catalonia.

When all else fails, send in the armed forces.

You think it can't happen, do you? Well, watch this space.

The ultimate victim of Catalonia's attempted secession is likely to be Spanish democracy.
Catalan separatists will fail, that's virtually guaranteed.

All the Spanish government has to do to win the day is to simply continue to insist relentlessly on applying the law, all of the law, nothing but the law, beginning with the Constitution, like any government is supposed to. Unsurprisingly, that's what they are doing.

That will ensure that any attempt at applying a possible declaration of independence is blocked. Demonstrations and strikes by independentists are probable, however all that they will ensure is continuous deterioration of economic condition of the Catalan province - which has already begun with many banks and companies deciding or contemplating moving outside of Catalonia. The Spanish government can afford that - albeit they probably would prefer it did not take place - but the separatists can't: this will discourage part of the independists and bolster their adversaries - pro-Spain demonstrations in Catalonia are becoming more frequent.

At the same time, it's becoming clearer that separatists have no ally abroad whatsover - except for Venezuela's Maduro, maybe :roll: Other European countries have made it clear that if Catalonia separates from Spain illegally, moreover after a vote that was a charade of a referendum very far from any standard for democracy, they will be by that very fact outside of the EU. This, while a lot of independentists however were counting on possibility to remain in the EU.

From the point of view of political strategy, separatists are in a hopeless position.

After the troubles are over, new regional elections will probably be organized. Expect independentists to be a minority in the new parliament.
The Spanish government reaction was ham fisted to say the least. I imagine the people of Catalonia are angry enough not to care about the economic ramifications of going their own way, and even fighting to go.
The classes and the races to weak to master the new conditions of life must give way {..} They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust --Karl Marx

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Re: Catalan separatists will fail

Post by SteveFoerster » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:46 am

Alexis wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:39 am
All the Spanish government has to do to win the day is to simply continue to insist relentlessly on applying the law, all of the law, nothing but the law, beginning with the Constitution, like any government is supposed to. Unsurprisingly, that's what they are doing.
That's what the Southern states in the U.S. thought during the Civil Rights era. But the harsher the response, the greater Catalonian resolve will become.
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