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Yom Kippur

Post by Sertorio » Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:43 am

Many of my ancestors - probably most of them - were Sephardic Jews. I am not Jewish, not even a religious person, and I do not intend to become either of those things. But I decided this year to recover some of my cultural heritage and celebrate - in a secular manner - Yom Kippur, the day of attonement. In my inner self I am asking forgiveness for anything I may have done in the past year to harm anyone. If by any chance I said or wrote anything which may have offended any of you, I hereby ask for your forgiveness.

Happy Yom Kippur to all of you.

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Re: Yom Kippur

Post by cassowary » Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:34 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:43 am
Many of my ancestors - probably most of them - were Sephardic Jews. I am not Jewish, not even a religious person, and I do not intend to become either of those things. But I decided this year to recover some of my cultural heritage and celebrate - in a secular manner - Yom Kippur, the day of attonement. In my inner self I am asking forgiveness for anything I may have done in the past year to harm anyone. If by any chance I said or wrote anything which may have offended any of you, I hereby ask for your forgiveness.

Happy Yom Kippur to all of you.

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You have done nothing to offend me, Sertorio. Instead, you have provided me with great entertainment and amusement. I love to read your posts and discuss stuff with you. :lol:

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Re: Yom Kippur

Post by cassowary » Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:43 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:43 am
I am not Jewish, not even a religious person, and I do not intend to become either of those things.
Religious people turn to God to give them hope for a better future, either in this world or the next. Non-religious people turn to government to provide them with a better future in this world.

That is why you are Socialist, Sertorio. Big Government has taken the place of God. You have faith that it is possible to construct a soceity where your needs are taken cared of without harship. That makes you religious - sort of. You don't believe in anything spiritual but your faith is as strong as any true believer of God. Maybe stronger.

While no one has returned from the dead if God and heaven exists, there are lots of examples where Socialism has failed. So your faith is very strong. Oh well, to each his own. Some believe in God, as I do. Some believe in Socialism - like you. There are also some who believe in ancient aliens who will one day return to give us a better life.

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Re: Yom Kippur

Post by neverfail » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:40 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:43 am
Many of my ancestors - probably most of them - were Sephardic Jews. I am not Jewish, not even a religious person, and I do not intend to become either of those things. But I decided this year to recover some of my cultural heritage and celebrate - in a secular manner - Yom Kippur, the day of attonement. In my inner self I am asking forgiveness for anything I may have done in the past year to harm anyone. If by any chance I said or wrote anything which may have offended any of you, I hereby ask for your forgiveness.

Happy Yom Kippur to all of you.

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Oh Sertorio: you have caused me no offense at all - only given me the occasional good laugh. :lol:

(All joking aside though) Yom Kippur, which apparently follows ten days of repentance known as "days of awe" I regard as a sensible Jewish custom that others might well consider adopting. May you gain much from the recovery of your long lost Jewish heritage. :D

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Re: Yom Kippur

Post by dagbay » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:32 am

While I admit little knowledge of the matter of repentence in Christianity, I came across this article on PJM https://pjmedia.com/faith/2017/09/30/ch ... om-kippur/
Repentance I agree is important for civilized coexistence. It works better psychologicaly -I believe if there is a consequence to failure to repent and it only works if repentance brings about a positive change. Jewish tradition values interpersonal repentance as a major and essential part of the process.
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Re: Yom Kippur

Post by SteveFoerster » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:01 pm

cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:43 am
Religious people turn to God to give them hope for a better future, either in this world or the next. Non-religious people turn to government to provide them with a better future in this world.
Unless they don't want either gods or masters, which is why I'm functionally atheist yet want less government than you do.
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Re: Yom Kippur

Post by cassowary » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:19 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:01 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:43 am
Religious people turn to God to give them hope for a better future, either in this world or the next. Non-religious people turn to government to provide them with a better future in this world.
Unless they don't want either gods or masters, which is why I'm functionally atheist yet want less government than you do.
Then you are a rare person who puts your hope of a better future on yourself. You must be self sufficient, confident and maybe rich already.

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Re: Yom Kippur

Post by SteveFoerster » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:58 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:19 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:01 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:43 am
Religious people turn to God to give them hope for a better future, either in this world or the next. Non-religious people turn to government to provide them with a better future in this world.
Unless they don't want either gods or masters, which is why I'm functionally atheist yet want less government than you do.
Then you are a rare person who puts your hope of a better future on yourself. You must be self sufficient, confident and maybe rich already.
I don't know about rare, but even one exception disproves a theory. Besides, I don't find that religious people have any special reluctance for big government, they don't even all want it to do different things than "godless commies" do.
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Re: Yom Kippur

Post by neverfail » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:22 pm

dagbay wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:32 am
While I admit little knowledge of the matter of repentence in Christianity, I came across this article on PJM https://pjmedia.com/faith/2017/09/30/ch ... om-kippur/
Repentance I agree is important for civilized coexistence. It works better psychologicaly -I believe if there is a consequence to failure to repent and it only works if repentance brings about a positive change. Jewish tradition values interpersonal repentance as a major and essential part of the process.
Sounds like a good tradition dagbay. But while seeking to redress relations with their fellow men (horizontal atonement?) do they also simultaneously seek forgiveness from God (vertical atonement?) .

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Re: Yom Kippur

Post by cassowary » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:37 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:58 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:19 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:01 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:43 am
Religious people turn to God to give them hope for a better future, either in this world or the next. Non-religious people turn to government to provide them with a better future in this world.
Unless they don't want either gods or masters, which is why I'm functionally atheist yet want less government than you do.
Then you are a rare person who puts your hope of a better future on yourself. You must be self sufficient, confident and maybe rich already.
I don't know about rare, but even one exception disproves a theory. Besides, I don't find that religious people have any special reluctance for big government, they don't even all want it to do different things than "godless commies" do.
I find that religious people generally don't vote for Socialist of Leftist Parties. That's what I was referring to.

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