Cassowary, I am not saying that John Wesley was anything other than a good man who followed in the footsteps of Jesus Christ as best he knew how. However, he was also a man of his own time and society - which happened to be England during the Georgian Age of Enlightenment. It was an time of rising (though skewed) prosperity and growing optimism. Wesley seems to have sought out practical solutions to the challenges of his day and I fear might have as a consequence, missed the point.cassowary wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:52 pmMy pastor likes to quote John Wesley, founder of the Methodist Church. He keeps telling us that Wesley said, "First gain all you can, and, secondly, save all you can. Then give all you can."
The first two will make you rich. The richer you are the more you can afford to give. There are strong links between Christian values and prosperity. [/url]
I draw your attention to Christ's parable of The Widow's Mite:
Question: "What does Jesus want us to learn from what He said about the widow’s mite?"
There are several things that the story of the widow’s mite teaches us. First, God sees what man overlooks. The big gifts in the temple were surely noticed by people; that’s probably what the disciples were watching. But Jesus saw what no one else did: He saw the humble gift of a poor widow. This was the gift that Jesus thought worthy of comment; this was the gift that the disciples needed to be aware of. The other gifts in the treasury that day made a lot of noise as they jingled into the receptacles, but the widow’s mites were heard in heaven.
Here was a woman in need of receiving charity, yet she had a heart to give. Even though the amount was negligible—what could a widow’s mite buy?—she gave it in faith that God could use it. The widow’s faith is also evident in the fact that she gave the last of her money. Like the widow of Zarephath, who gave her last meal to Elijah (see 1 Kings 17:7–16), the widow in the temple gave away her last means of self-support. Does that mean the widow left the temple completely destitute, went home, and died of starvation? No. The Bible teaches that God provides for our needs (Matthew 6:25–34). We don’t know the details of this particular widow’s future, but we can be certain that she was provided for.(unquote)
Cass, if you believe that Christianity is a creed whose intent is to make men rich in the worldly sense then I would suggest that you are definitely barking up the wrong tree and perhaps should consider trying out another religion. The widow in the parable gave only a pittance but gave it from a generous heart. Unlike the wealthy Jews who, under a sense of obligation from a Jewish religious law of the time impelling the Jewish faithful to tithe themselves, gave infinitely more but made a show of doing it so that others would think highly of them.
It was that widow who found her place in heaven.
Christianity is for the salvation of souls: not for the accumulation of worldly riches.