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Re: Russia

Post by Doc » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:28 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:25 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:52 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:29 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:17 am

Sweden is neither an ally of the United States nor a former satellite state of the USSR. Yet even the Swedes feel rattled by Russia's 2014 annexation of the Crimea and support for rebels in the eastern Ukraine.
In their place I would feel a little more rattled by the misdeeds of Muslim refugees in their country... What has Sweden to do with Crimea or East Ukraine? Is there a Russian speaking minority in Sweden? What are they afraid of?...
The same thing that everyone on this forum but you sees plainly right in front of their faces: Russia is the biggest potential military danger to Europe.
What nobody seems to be able to explain is the reason why Russia would be aggressive towards Europe. What would be their purpose? What would be their gain?...
Regaining the lost power of the Soviet Union and beyond.
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Re: Russia

Post by SteveFoerster » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:04 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:25 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:52 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:29 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:17 am

Sweden is neither an ally of the United States nor a former satellite state of the USSR. Yet even the Swedes feel rattled by Russia's 2014 annexation of the Crimea and support for rebels in the eastern Ukraine.
In their place I would feel a little more rattled by the misdeeds of Muslim refugees in their country... What has Sweden to do with Crimea or East Ukraine? Is there a Russian speaking minority in Sweden? What are they afraid of?...
The same thing that everyone on this forum but you sees plainly right in front of their faces: Russia is the biggest potential military danger to Europe.
What nobody seems to be able to explain is the reason why Russia would be aggressive towards Europe. What would be their purpose? What would be their gain?...
Presumably the same gain that they had when they dominated half of Europe during the Cold War, which just wasn't that long ago.
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Re: Russia

Post by Sertorio » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:01 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:04 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:25 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:52 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:29 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:17 am

Sweden is neither an ally of the United States nor a former satellite state of the USSR. Yet even the Swedes feel rattled by Russia's 2014 annexation of the Crimea and support for rebels in the eastern Ukraine.
In their place I would feel a little more rattled by the misdeeds of Muslim refugees in their country... What has Sweden to do with Crimea or East Ukraine? Is there a Russian speaking minority in Sweden? What are they afraid of?...
The same thing that everyone on this forum but you sees plainly right in front of their faces: Russia is the biggest potential military danger to Europe.
What nobody seems to be able to explain is the reason why Russia would be aggressive towards Europe. What would be their purpose? What would be their gain?...
Presumably the same gain that they had when they dominated half of Europe during the Cold War, which just wasn't that long ago.
Is it so difficult to realize that there is absolutely nothing in common between the Soviet Union and Russia? Besides, Eastern Europe was simply used as a buffer between the Soviet Union and the Western World. People seem to forget that the Warsaw Pact only came into being after NATO had been formed. The Soviet Union was more afraid of the West than the other way around. Europe has nothing to fear from Russia. In fact, Russia could be a much more useful partner for Europe than the US.

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Re: Russia

Post by SteveFoerster » Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:59 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:01 am
Is it so difficult to realize that there is absolutely nothing in common between the Soviet Union and Russia?
The only difference is that the Soviet Union was stronger relative to other world powers than Russia is today.
Besides, Eastern Europe was simply used as a buffer between the Soviet Union and the Western World. People seem to forget that the Warsaw Pact only came into being after NATO had been formed. The Soviet Union was more afraid of the West than the other way around.
NATO was only first because it was an alliance of genuinely sovereign powers, whereas the Warsaw Pact was a Potemkin alliance of countries already occupied and controlled by the Soviet Union.
Europe has nothing to fear from Russia. In fact, Russia could be a much more useful partner for Europe than the US.
Russia has little to offer other than gas exports and the occasional polonium-powered assassination. Hell, California alone has twice the GDP of Russia. Putin is unrivaled at playing the geopolitical game, I'll give you that, but Russia will never be a superpower again.
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Re: Russia

Post by Sertorio » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:48 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:59 pm
Putin is unrivaled at playing the geopolitical game, I'll give you that, but Russia will never be a superpower again.
Russia doesn't need nor does it want to be a superpower. Only strong enough to deny the US the possibility of bullying every other country on Earth. And once Russia teams up with Europe you will have the superpower the US is desperately trying to avoid.

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