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Venezuela, The Revolution Begins

Post by Doc » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:39 pm

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... e-48259048
Venezuelan opposition lays siege to air base
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Re: Venezuela, The Revolution Begins

Post by cassowary » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:35 pm

Viva la Revolucion
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Re: Venezuela, The Revolution Begins

Post by Milo » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:23 pm

Wow, this may have real legs!

Venezuela crisis: Helicopter 'launches attack' on Supreme Court

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-40426642

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Post by Doc » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:03 pm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vene ... SKBN19I2RV
Helicopter attacks Venezuela court, Maduro denounces coup bid
A police helicopter flies over Venezuela's Supreme Court building in Caracas June 27, 2017, in this still image taken from a video. Mandatory credit Caraota Digital - MUST COURTESY CARAOTA DIGITAL/Handout via REUTERS

By Silene Ramírez and Eyanir Chinea | CARACAS

A Venezuelan police helicopter strafed the Supreme Court and a government ministry on Tuesday, escalating the OPEC nation's political crisis in what President Nicolas Maduro called an attack by "terrorists" seeking a coup.

The aircraft fired 15 shots at the Interior Ministry, where scores of people were at a social event, and dropped four grenades on the court, where judges were meeting, officials said.

However, there were no reports of injuries.

"Sooner rather than later, we are going to capture the helicopter and those behind this armed terrorist attack against the institutions of the country," Maduro said.

"They could have caused dozens of deaths," he said.

The 54-year-old socialist leader has faced three months of protests from opposition leaders who decry him as a dictator who has wrecked a once-prosperous economy. There has been growing dissent too from within government and the security forces.

At least 75 people have died, and hundreds more been injured and arrested, in the anti-government unrest since April.
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Re: Venezuela, The Revolution Begins

Post by Doc » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:56 pm

Milo wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:23 pm
Wow, this may have real legs!

Venezuela crisis: Helicopter 'launches attack' on Supreme Court

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-40426642
Seems that way. The situation in Venezuela is so bad I expect Maduro to be hanging from a lamp post in the not too distant future.
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Re: Venezuela, The Revolution Begins

Post by cassowary » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:37 am

"We the People" of Venezuela failed when they elected the Socialist Hugo Chavez. Like Marx said, "Democracy is the Road to Socialism."
They fell for the lie that a better life can be obtained from the government and without working for it.

Socialism is the road to ruin which is where Venezuela is today. That's because, as Margaret Thatcher once said, "The problem of Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

So what next?

The People failed and the country is ripe for a dictatorship. This will complete they cycle that Polybius wrote abou -
kyklos (political cycle).

Democracy in Venezuela is going to turn into dictatorship for order to be restored. The question is what kind of dictatorship? If it is a Socialist dictatorship - like the Castros or the Kims, then the Venezuelans will suffer poverty for a long time while their rulers live opulent lives.

The best hope for them is a capitalist dictatorship like Lee Kuan Yew or even a Pinochet. The country will be restored to prosperity and democracy quickly.

Polybius wrote that there were three basic types of a government - monarchy, aristocracy and democracy. He believed that monarchy will evolve into aristocracy into democracy and back to monarchy again. In modern times, we will have a dictator instead of a monarch.

Polybius wrote that to break the cycle, we need to have elements of all three in a government. We need to reform how democrach is practiced in modern times. Or we will get more Venezuelas.

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Re: Venezuela, The Revolution Begins

Post by Doc » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:22 am

cassowary wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:37 am
"We the People" of Venezuela failed when they elected the Socialist Hugo Chavez. Like Marx said, "Democracy is the Road to Socialism."
They fell for the lie that a better life can be obtained from the government and without working for it.

Socialism is the road to ruin which is where Venezuela is today. That's because, as Margaret Thatcher once said, "The problem of Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

So what next?

The People failed and the country is ripe for a dictatorship. This will complete they cycle that Polybius wrote abou -
kyklos (political cycle).

Democracy in Venezuela is going to turn into dictatorship for order to be restored. The question is what kind of dictatorship? If it is a Socialist dictatorship - like the Castros or the Kims, then the Venezuelans will suffer poverty for a long time while their rulers live opulent lives.

The best hope for them is a capitalist dictatorship like Lee Kuan Yew or even a Pinochet. The country will be restored to prosperity and democracy quickly.

Polybius wrote that there were three basic types of a government - monarchy, aristocracy and democracy. He believed that monarchy will evolve into aristocracy into democracy and back to monarchy again. In modern times, we will have a dictator instead of a monarch.

Polybius wrote that to break the cycle, we need to have elements of all three in a government. We need to reform how democrach is practiced in modern times. Or we will get more Venezuelas.
Hard to say how this will turn out Cass. Venezuela does have a (long ago now) history of democracy
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Re: Venezuela, The Revolution Begins

Post by SteveFoerster » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:44 pm

Doc wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:56 pm
The situation in Venezuela is so bad I expect Maduro to be hanging from a lamp post in the not too distant future.
Good. If anyone deserves to get Ceaușescued, it's Maduro.
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Re: Venezuela, The Revolution Begins

Post by Doc » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:30 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:44 pm
Doc wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:56 pm
The situation in Venezuela is so bad I expect Maduro to be hanging from a lamp post in the not too distant future.
Good. If anyone deserves to get Ceaușescued, it's Maduro.
Let hope so before the humanitarian crisis that is Venezuela gets worse
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Re: Venezuela, The Revolution Begins

Post by neverfail » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:37 am

There is unrest in Venezuela but it is too soon to call it a revolution.

In any case, revolutions have a long history of disappointing the hopes of those who at first cheered them on.

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