Australian psychiatrist says terrorists are following the Koran

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Re: Australian psychiatrist says terrorists are following the Koran

Post by cassowary » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:21 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:51 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:57 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:19 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:29 pm
Dr Ahmed was expressing his personal opinion. So the question of integrity does not arise. He probably comes from a culture where copying is not an offence.
So why should I believe him then?
Because opinions are not a matter of integrity.
Honest relaying of one's opinions is, though, and that's functionally the same thing.
That's true. Some people don't dare to express their true opinion because it is politically incorrect. But in this case, this Dr Ahmed is expressing an opinion that is most politically incorrect. And it may get him killed by Muslims.

He said:
In the wake of the United Kingdom’s third terrorist attack in 10 weeks, Dr Ahmed said the mainstream media and politicians also needed to acknowledge terrorists were following the Koran.

‘It’s grounded in scripture. People who commit terrorism, they are actually more devout than many other Muslims. Their actions don’t come out of thin air, they’re following strict instructions.
So Dr Ahmed is basically saying that the Koran teaches you to be a terrorist. A true Muslim must always defend his religion.

Some Muslims will think he is a traitor or apostate which carries the death penalty.

I think he is speaking his true heartfelt honest opinion.

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Re: Australian psychiatrist says terrorists are following the Koran

Post by armchair_pundit » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:59 am

Some of us have been over this ground many times in many a Spengler fora matrix.

It comes down to subjective opinion in the end. Either you interpret your knowledge of the Quran and the history of Islam to conclude it is a warrior religion or a religion of peace. It is not both, though the current public dialogues would lead you to believe it is both.

I miss most of our theological scholars from the old days...

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Re: Australian psychiatrist says terrorists are following the Koran

Post by Doc » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:16 pm

armchair_pundit wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:59 am
Some of us have been over this ground many times in many a Spengler fora matrix.

It comes down to subjective opinion in the end. Either you interpret your knowledge of the Quran and the history of Islam to conclude it is a warrior religion or a religion of peace. It is not both, though the current public dialogues would lead you to believe it is both.

I miss most of our theological scholars from the old days...
Actually the answer is surprisingly simple and definitive .
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Islam like a drowning man is dying. If it is to be saved as a religion it is up to Muslims to do it. They need to reform it to co-exist with the modern world. The best response for the rest of us is not to get too close lest we be drowned as well.

(I should point out that graphic is worng in that the only unforgivable sin is owing debt)
The classes and the races to weak to master the new conditions of life must give way {..} They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust --Karl Marx

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Re: Australian psychiatrist says terrorists are following the Koran

Post by neverfail » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:48 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:57 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:19 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:29 pm
Dr Ahmed was expressing his personal opinion. So the question of integrity does not arise. He probably comes from a culture where copying is not an offence.
So why should I believe him then?
Because opinions are not a matter of integrity.
Opinions that lack integrity are (by definition) lies. :twisted:

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Re: Now for a German's view on Islam. "it only takes a few fanatics..."

Post by neverfail » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:28 am

A German's View on Islam:

This is one of the best explanations of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist. A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates.

When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.' My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.

'We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. 'Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. 'The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. 'It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

'The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. 'Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.
'China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.
'The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.
And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving?

'History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt. Yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our Enemy if they don't speak up. Like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them and the end of their world will have begun. 'Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

'Now Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario, and, yes, in Ottawa, too, while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive? The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in. 'In Australia, and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation's shores. 'In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law. 'As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts - the fanatics who threaten our way of life.'

'Lastly, anyone who doubts that this issue is not serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. Extend yourself a bit and send this on. Let us hope that thousands world-wide read this, think about it, and send it on before it's too late, and we are silenced because we were silent!!

(Sent to me by a Facebook friend).

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