Donald Trump must be impeached.

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Re: Donald Trump must be impeached.

Post by Milo » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:42 am

cassowary wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:12 am
Milo wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:28 pm
cassowary wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:50 am
Not only that, Booklady ...

There is an important point that most people missed out. As Comey testified, a President has the constitutional given power to order the investigation to be dropped! This is confirmed by Alan Dershowitz, a Democrat and former professor from Harvard.
Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual.
He also has the power to pardon Flynn, in which case the investigation automatically stops. But he did neither.

So, if Trump has the power to stop the investigation of Flynn, how can there be an obstruction of justice?
The fact that the president has that power has nothing to do with whether he committed obstruction of justice.

If I am scheduled to have a boxing match with someone, am I guilty of assault if I beat him up outside the ring?
Hahaha. That is a totally different matter. It is legal to beat up someone in the ring but not outside the ring. It is legal for Trump to tell Comey to stop investigating Flynn but it is not legal for Trump to tell Comey to stop investigating the President.
It's whether he committed the act and had the requisite state of mind, not whether he was allowed to do the same thing in another context.

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Re: Donald Trump must be impeached.

Post by Booklady » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:05 pm

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Re: Barrack Obama should have been impeached.

Post by Doc » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:53 pm

Unbelievable corruption. The Obama Admin was so corrupt that it sent the NSC records of Susan Rice's illegal FISA unmasking to the Obama Presidential Library so they don't fall under the Freedom of Information act.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room ... a-library/
Judicial Watch: Obama NSC Advisor Susan Rice’s Unmasking Material is at Obama Library

JUNE 19, 2017

Records Sought by Judicial Watch May Remain Closed to the Public for Five Years

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today announced that the National Security Council (NSC) on May 23, 2017, informed it by letter that the materials regarding the unmasking by Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice of “the identities of any U.S. citizens associated with the Trump presidential campaign or transition team” have been removed to the Obama Library.

The NSC will not fulfill an April 4 Judicial Watch request for records regarding information relating to people “who were identified pursuant to intelligence collection activities.”

The agency also informed Judicial Watch that it would not turn over communications with any Intelligence Community member or agency concerning the alleged Russian involvement in the 2016 presidential election; the hacking of DNC computers; or the suspected communications between Russia and Trump campaign/transition officials. Specifically, the NSC told Judicial Watch:

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) April 4 request sought:
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Re: Barrack Obama should have been impeached.

Post by Milo » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:27 pm

Doc wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:53 pm
Unbelievable corruption. The Obama Admin was so corrupt that it sent the NSC records of Susan Rice's illegal FISA unmasking to the Obama Presidential Library so they don't fall under the Freedom of Information act.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room ... a-library/
Judicial Watch: Obama NSC Advisor Susan Rice’s Unmasking Material is at Obama Library

JUNE 19, 2017

Records Sought by Judicial Watch May Remain Closed to the Public for Five Years

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today announced that the National Security Council (NSC) on May 23, 2017, informed it by letter that the materials regarding the unmasking by Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice of “the identities of any U.S. citizens associated with the Trump presidential campaign or transition team” have been removed to the Obama Library.

The NSC will not fulfill an April 4 Judicial Watch request for records regarding information relating to people “who were identified pursuant to intelligence collection activities.”

The agency also informed Judicial Watch that it would not turn over communications with any Intelligence Community member or agency concerning the alleged Russian involvement in the 2016 presidential election; the hacking of DNC computers; or the suspected communications between Russia and Trump campaign/transition officials. Specifically, the NSC told Judicial Watch:

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) April 4 request sought:
So you really think that the president can just send whatever he wants over there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preside ... ecords_Act

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Re: Barrack Obama should have been impeached.

Post by Doc » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:23 am

Milo wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:27 pm
Doc wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:53 pm
Unbelievable corruption. The Obama Admin was so corrupt that it sent the NSC records of Susan Rice's illegal FISA unmasking to the Obama Presidential Library so they don't fall under the Freedom of Information act.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room ... a-library/
Judicial Watch: Obama NSC Advisor Susan Rice’s Unmasking Material is at Obama Library

JUNE 19, 2017

Records Sought by Judicial Watch May Remain Closed to the Public for Five Years

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today announced that the National Security Council (NSC) on May 23, 2017, informed it by letter that the materials regarding the unmasking by Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice of “the identities of any U.S. citizens associated with the Trump presidential campaign or transition team” have been removed to the Obama Library.

The NSC will not fulfill an April 4 Judicial Watch request for records regarding information relating to people “who were identified pursuant to intelligence collection activities.”

The agency also informed Judicial Watch that it would not turn over communications with any Intelligence Community member or agency concerning the alleged Russian involvement in the 2016 presidential election; the hacking of DNC computers; or the suspected communications between Russia and Trump campaign/transition officials. Specifically, the NSC told Judicial Watch:

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) April 4 request sought:
So you really think that the president can just send whatever he wants over there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preside ... ecords_Act
Apparently Obama does. This is directly from judicial watch. They have been obstructed in every case they have filed for FOIA suits by the Obama Admin and the courts while at first hesitant are now consistently sided with Judicial Watch and have in some cases threatened Obama officials with contempt of court for not following thier legal orders to release information. As well as threaten Obama Admin lawyers with misconduct charges
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Re: Barrack Obama should have been impeached.

Post by Milo » Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:05 am

Doc wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:23 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:27 pm
Doc wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:53 pm
Unbelievable corruption. The Obama Admin was so corrupt that it sent the NSC records of Susan Rice's illegal FISA unmasking to the Obama Presidential Library so they don't fall under the Freedom of Information act.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room ... a-library/
Judicial Watch: Obama NSC Advisor Susan Rice’s Unmasking Material is at Obama Library

JUNE 19, 2017

Records Sought by Judicial Watch May Remain Closed to the Public for Five Years

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today announced that the National Security Council (NSC) on May 23, 2017, informed it by letter that the materials regarding the unmasking by Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice of “the identities of any U.S. citizens associated with the Trump presidential campaign or transition team” have been removed to the Obama Library.

The NSC will not fulfill an April 4 Judicial Watch request for records regarding information relating to people “who were identified pursuant to intelligence collection activities.”

The agency also informed Judicial Watch that it would not turn over communications with any Intelligence Community member or agency concerning the alleged Russian involvement in the 2016 presidential election; the hacking of DNC computers; or the suspected communications between Russia and Trump campaign/transition officials. Specifically, the NSC told Judicial Watch:

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) April 4 request sought:
So you really think that the president can just send whatever he wants over there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preside ... ecords_Act
Apparently Obama does. This is directly from judicial watch. They have been obstructed in every case they have filed for FOIA suits by the Obama Admin and the courts while at first hesitant are now consistently sided with Judicial Watch and have in some cases threatened Obama officials with contempt of court for not following thier legal orders to release information. As well as threaten Obama Admin lawyers with misconduct charges
The article you cite says nothing about obstruction.

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Re: Barrack Obama should have been impeached.

Post by Doc » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:41 pm

Milo wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:05 am
Doc wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:23 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:27 pm
Doc wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:53 pm
Unbelievable corruption. The Obama Admin was so corrupt that it sent the NSC records of Susan Rice's illegal FISA unmasking to the Obama Presidential Library so they don't fall under the Freedom of Information act.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room ... a-library/
Judicial Watch: Obama NSC Advisor Susan Rice’s Unmasking Material is at Obama Library

JUNE 19, 2017

Records Sought by Judicial Watch May Remain Closed to the Public for Five Years

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today announced that the National Security Council (NSC) on May 23, 2017, informed it by letter that the materials regarding the unmasking by Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice of “the identities of any U.S. citizens associated with the Trump presidential campaign or transition team” have been removed to the Obama Library.

The NSC will not fulfill an April 4 Judicial Watch request for records regarding information relating to people “who were identified pursuant to intelligence collection activities.”

The agency also informed Judicial Watch that it would not turn over communications with any Intelligence Community member or agency concerning the alleged Russian involvement in the 2016 presidential election; the hacking of DNC computers; or the suspected communications between Russia and Trump campaign/transition officials. Specifically, the NSC told Judicial Watch:

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) April 4 request sought:
So you really think that the president can just send whatever he wants over there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preside ... ecords_Act
Apparently Obama does. This is directly from judicial watch. They have been obstructed in every case they have filed for FOIA suits by the Obama Admin and the courts while at first hesitant are now consistently sided with Judicial Watch and have in some cases threatened Obama officials with contempt of court for not following thier legal orders to release information. As well as threaten Obama Admin lawyers with misconduct charges
The article you cite says nothing about obstruction.
The case in point has all the hallmarks of such.
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Re: Donald Trump must be impeached.

Post by cassowary » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:46 pm

Can someone explain to me why sending the papers to the oBUMa library will foil the FOIA request?

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Re: Barrack Obama should have been impeached.

Post by Milo » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:44 pm

Doc wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:41 pm
Milo wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:05 am
Doc wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:23 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:27 pm
Doc wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:53 pm
Unbelievable corruption. The Obama Admin was so corrupt that it sent the NSC records of Susan Rice's illegal FISA unmasking to the Obama Presidential Library so they don't fall under the Freedom of Information act.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room ... a-library/
Judicial Watch: Obama NSC Advisor Susan Rice’s Unmasking Material is at Obama Library

JUNE 19, 2017

Records Sought by Judicial Watch May Remain Closed to the Public for Five Years

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today announced that the National Security Council (NSC) on May 23, 2017, informed it by letter that the materials regarding the unmasking by Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice of “the identities of any U.S. citizens associated with the Trump presidential campaign or transition team” have been removed to the Obama Library.

The NSC will not fulfill an April 4 Judicial Watch request for records regarding information relating to people “who were identified pursuant to intelligence collection activities.”

The agency also informed Judicial Watch that it would not turn over communications with any Intelligence Community member or agency concerning the alleged Russian involvement in the 2016 presidential election; the hacking of DNC computers; or the suspected communications between Russia and Trump campaign/transition officials. Specifically, the NSC told Judicial Watch:

Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.

Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) April 4 request sought:
So you really think that the president can just send whatever he wants over there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preside ... ecords_Act
Apparently Obama does. This is directly from judicial watch. They have been obstructed in every case they have filed for FOIA suits by the Obama Admin and the courts while at first hesitant are now consistently sided with Judicial Watch and have in some cases threatened Obama officials with contempt of court for not following thier legal orders to release information. As well as threaten Obama Admin lawyers with misconduct charges
The article you cite says nothing about obstruction.
The case in point has all the hallmarks of such.
Funny how none of the legal experts who wrote that never got around to mentioning it. It's almost like they didn't think there was any obstruction.

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Re: Barrack Obama should have been impeached.

Post by Doc » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:50 pm

Milo wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:44 pm
Doc wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:41 pm
Milo wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:05 am
Doc wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:23 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:27 pm
Doc wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:53 pm
Unbelievable corruption. The Obama Admin was so corrupt that it sent the NSC records of Susan Rice's illegal FISA unmasking to the Obama Presidential Library so they don't fall under the Freedom of Information act.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room ... a-library/
So you really think that the president can just send whatever he wants over there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preside ... ecords_Act
Apparently Obama does. This is directly from judicial watch. They have been obstructed in every case they have filed for FOIA suits by the Obama Admin and the courts while at first hesitant are now consistently sided with Judicial Watch and have in some cases threatened Obama officials with contempt of court for not following thier legal orders to release information. As well as threaten Obama Admin lawyers with misconduct charges
The article you cite says nothing about obstruction.
The case in point has all the hallmarks of such.
Funny how none of the legal experts who wrote that never got around to mentioning it. It's almost like they didn't think there was any obstruction.
Funny how unnamed sources are unanimous that trump colluded with Russia to steal the election. :roll:
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