North Korea threatens nuclear strike on Australia.

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Re: Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump could start World War III

Post by neverfail » Wed May 03, 2017 5:42 am

As I said earlier cassowary, I just hope that you turn out to have been right and my dread wrong:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/com ... ailsignout

(quote) Watching the fairly calm currency and stock markets and the orderly proceedings of the United Nations, it is plain that, as in 1914, the world has not woken up to what is happening in a perplexing region where the background noise of perpetual crisis is so loud and has been going on for so long that we’ve simply learned to ignore it. President Trump has shown that he is not ignoring it, but he has no “good choices”.

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Re: North Korea threatens nuclear strike on Australia.

Post by cassowary » Wed May 03, 2017 8:34 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 11:40 am
cassowary wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 1:57 am
neverfail wrote:
Mon May 01, 2017 6:02 pm
2. If you may recall the Vietnam War which America and allies lost handsomely; the Communist side did not win a single battle against the Yanks whose firepower was overwhelming too; yet they still won the war.
That's because it lost the home front. America's home grown Socialists were rooting for the other side. They pressured the US government to bring the troops home. I will never forget that. The blood of millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians that were shed after the Fall of Indo-China are on their hands.
That's ridiculous. The blood of the murdered is on the hands of those who murder them, not on strangers who are ten thousand miles away minding their own business.
Hi Steve,

It is not so ridiculous. They may not have done the actual shooting but they abetted the killers by helping them win the war. The core of the anti-Vietnam war movement were the Socialists who wanted fellow Socialists to win the war. The iconic figure of such traitors was Jane Fonda:

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You can see where her sympathies lie from her speech:
“If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist. . . . I, a socialist, think that we should strive toward a socialist society, all the way to communism.”
She may not have killed anyone in Cambodia's killing fields or committed atrocities in Vietnam. But she aided the monsters who did by promoting the idea that the war was an act of American imperialism. The standard leftist lie was that America was fighting to create an evil empire. America was protecting Indo-China from the evil of Socialism.

Her generation had no excuse unlike people in the 1920s and 30s. By the 1960s, the nature of Socialism was clear. News of millions killed by Mao and Stalin were well known. Yet they persisted in helping the cause of Socialism by persuading the US public to turn against the war. Had US troops remained another 10 years, South VIetnam would not have fallen. Jane Fonda was influenced by Socialism while she was in France.

She and other anti-Vietnam War leftists may not have killed anyone. But they knew they were helping killers by getting the US to pull out prematurely. So the blood is still on their hands.
Like all U.S. wars since the second world war, Vietnam was a war of choice on behalf of empire, nothing more.
There is no American empire. An empire is when the conquered people were ruled by governors for the benefit of the ruling power. The British, French, Japanese all had empires in the 20th century. US protection of W Europe during the Cold War and South Korea cost the US money. Empires are supposed to make the conqueror richer and not poorer. Also, countries where US troops are based have their own Parliament and most are democratically elected. If the people do not want US troops to remain, they can tell them to leave.

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Re: North Korea threatens nuclear strike on Australia.

Post by cassowary » Wed May 03, 2017 9:20 am

neverfail wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 5:51 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 11:40 am

neverfail wrote:
Mon May 01, 2017 6:02 pm
I also will not forget the fear we felt at the moment when Vietnam fell, that other SE Asian countries may also fall like dominoes.
Even if that fear hadn't turned out to be unfounded, it wouldn't have justified enslaving young Americans to send them off to die to prevent it.
I did not write that Steve. Cassowary did.
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P.S. Cassowary's comment does likely reflect the sense of dread that anti-Communists in his part of the world felt at the time. It reminds me of the universal angst felt in my country in 1942 when the surrender of Singapore to Japanese forces was announced. Well, we all know with the benefit of historical hindsight that the Imperial Japanese never got to invade Australia and likewise the "fallout" to the fall of Saigon to Communist forces in April 1975 was confined to within the bounds of former French Indochina. You and I know that the Vietnam War was purely a regional conflict that at its beginning was mistaken for an extension of a global struggle, Communism versus the West, by policymakers in both Washington DC and Canberra. Unfortunately, Cassowary is unaware of this; being spiritually marooned back in the Cold War era and still moved to tilt against the Marxist windmills of his imagination, a bit like Don Quixote.
Oh no, you are dead wrong, Neverfail. Vietnam was a part of the global struggle between the democratic market driven economies of the west and the Socialist dictatorships of the East.

The fact that other SE Asian countries did not fall does not mean that the domino theory is wrong. As our Founder Lee Kuan Yew said, US intervention saved the rest of SE Asia by buying enough time for them to put their houses in order. Had Vietnam fallen in 1965 instead of 10 years later, SE Asia would have fallen. I believe he is right.
"Although American intervention failed in Vietnam, it bought time for the rest of Southeast Asia. In 1965, when the US military moved massively into South Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, and the Philippines faced internal threats from armed communist insurgencies . . . and the communist underground was still active in Singapore. . . America's action [in Vietnam] enabled non-communist Southeast Asia to put their own houses in order. By 1975, they were in better shape to stand up to the communists. Had there been no US intervention, the will of these countries to resist them would have melted and Southeast Asia would most likely have gone communist. The prosperous emerging market economies of ASEAN were nurtured during the Vietnam War years."7
So it was not a waste of American blood and treasure. You should read the book by Mitrokhin, "The World Was going our way."

Mitrokhin was a former KGB agent. He explained Soviet plots to foment Socialist revolutions all over the world. There was a worldwide struggle between Socialist dictatorships and Capitalist democracies.

I don't know what you mean by me being marooned in the Cold War era. I am telling you my interpretation of the past. Your view of the past is a leftist view:

1)US intervention in Vietnam is because of US imperialism. I see it as defense against Socialist dictatorship.
2)There was no global struggle between the Democratic and Capitalist West with the Totalitarian and Socialist East. I believe there was.
3)The collpase of the Soviet Union was a sad event. I see it as a cause of celebration.

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Re: North Korea threatens nuclear strike on Australia.

Post by neverfail » Thu May 04, 2017 2:59 am

cassowary wrote:
Wed May 03, 2017 9:20 am

Your view of the past is a leftist view:

1)US intervention in Vietnam is because of US imperialism. I see it as defense against Socialist dictatorship.
2)There was no global struggle between the Democratic and Capitalist West with the Totalitarian and Socialist East. I believe there was.
3)The collpase of the Soviet Union was a sad event. I see it as a cause of celebration.
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Now cassowary, that looks to me like an ingenuous jibe in retribution for my allegation that you are marooned back in the Cold War era.

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Re: North Korea threatens nuclear strike on Australia.

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu May 04, 2017 9:11 am

neverfail wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 5:51 pm
I did not write that Steve. Cassowary did.
I apologise, it was unintentional!
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Re: North Korea threatens nuclear strike on Australia.

Post by neverfail » Thu May 04, 2017 5:08 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 9:11 am
neverfail wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 5:51 pm
I did not write that Steve. Cassowary did.
I apologise, it was unintentional!


No offense taken Steve. I have occasionally done the same myself. ;)

I saw an interesting article in our on-line morning daily re. life in North Korea:

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-privi ... vvt40.html

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North Korea's New Missile

Post by Sertorio » Mon May 15, 2017 8:13 am



This one only goes as far as Guam... Wait for next one...

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Re: North Korea's New Missile

Post by SteveFoerster » Mon May 15, 2017 11:53 am

Sertorio wrote:
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This one only goes as far as Guam... Wait for next one...
Is it accurate enough to hit Guam? I remember back in the day the Soviets had concerns about accuracy, and built more powerful nukes to compensate.

Note that I'm just asking the question, I'm definitely not saying, "No worries, PDRK will probably miss anyway!" :geek:
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Re: North Korea's New Missile

Post by Sertorio » Mon May 15, 2017 3:37 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 11:53 am

Is it accurate enough to hit Guam? I remember back in the day the Soviets had concerns about accuracy, and built more powerful nukes to compensate.

Note that I'm just asking the question, I'm definitely not saying, "No worries, PDRK will probably miss anyway!" :geek:
I wouldn't be too surprised if some nuclear competent countries which criticize NK have been helping NK building better and more accurate missiles... Just to embarass the US...

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Re: North Korea's New Missile

Post by SteveFoerster » Mon May 15, 2017 5:25 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 3:37 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 11:53 am

Is it accurate enough to hit Guam? I remember back in the day the Soviets had concerns about accuracy, and built more powerful nukes to compensate.

Note that I'm just asking the question, I'm definitely not saying, "No worries, PDRK will probably miss anyway!" :geek:
I wouldn't be too surprised if some nuclear competent countries which criticize NK have been helping NK building better and more accurate missiles... Just to embarass the US...
I doubt any country, even China, would aid PDRK's missile technology just to "embarrass" the U.S., considering the retribution that would follow if discovered.
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