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Re: Spengler

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:35 pm

I have a question.......
As Kant said, 100 imaginary dollars have precisely the same characteristics as 100 actual dollars in my pocket, with the sole difference that they aren’t there. Philosophers understood Being as a compound of essence (intelligibility) and existence. But what makes existence intelligible? The moment we ask this apparently harmless question, we have reduced existence to an essence, and we are chasing our tails. Aquinas sought to cure this problem by resort to analogy, which only persuades people who have religious agenda to take Aquinas seriously.
In conversation I find people generally have little problem with that proposition, but they balk at the counter-assertion that 100 actual dollars in your pocket that you don't know about, is the same as they not being there. Seems that secularists and materialists are comfortable with the idea of existence independent of human consciousness/being, but when you combine the two as a necessary condition of 'reality', things get squicky. Why is that?.........
Let's try this modelling exercise. Let's envision a world in a parallel universe somewhere let's say, where I'm right.........

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Re: Spengler

Post by Doc » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:32 pm

http://www.atimes.com/article/america-e ... e-changer/
America is experiencing ‘zugzwang.’ It needs a game-changer
The global outlook for American interests is dismal. The country’s best hopes may well lie in the destructive power of its own innovation
By David P. Goldman April 24, 2017 12:55 PM (UTC+8)

Franz Kafka’s unfinished novel The Castle tells of a palace perched above a Bohemian village. Ineffable emissaries leave and enter in sealed coaches. The townspeople barely glimpse the denizens of the Castle, who govern the town by mysterious means. A telephone connects to the Castle, but the villagers can only speak to whomever might be listening on the other end of the line, without hearing a word of reply. It is interpreted variously as an allegory for the relation of the divine to the human, or as a satire on the Imperial Austrian bureaucracy.
The classes and the races to weak to master the new conditions of life must give way {..} They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust --Karl Marx

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Re: Spengler

Post by Doc » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:14 pm

lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:35 pm
I have a question.......
As Kant said, 100 imaginary dollars have precisely the same characteristics as 100 actual dollars in my pocket, with the sole difference that they aren’t there. Philosophers understood Being as a compound of essence (intelligibility) and existence. But what makes existence intelligible? The moment we ask this apparently harmless question, we have reduced existence to an essence, and we are chasing our tails. Aquinas sought to cure this problem by resort to analogy, which only persuades people who have religious agenda to take Aquinas seriously.
In conversation I find people generally have little problem with that proposition, but they balk at the counter-assertion that 100 actual dollars in your pocket that you don't know about, is the same as they not being there. Seems that secularists and materialists are comfortable with the idea of existence independent of human consciousness/being, but when you combine the two as a necessary condition of 'reality', things get squicky. Why is that?.........
Maybe this will give some explanation....

The classes and the races to weak to master the new conditions of life must give way {..} They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust --Karl Marx

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Re: Spengler

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:31 pm

Having an answer for everything is the uncanny feeling of being a lone beta fish in a mason jar. Your reality is protracted to a confined space and you can't see or talk beyond it. Also note the easy tendency to shift into god mode which is almost impossible to avoid if you have an answer for every set element in your reality...'>.....
Let's try this modelling exercise. Let's envision a world in a parallel universe somewhere let's say, where I'm right.........

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Re: Spengler

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Tue May 30, 2017 8:35 am

https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2017/05/30 ... iar-patch/
Donald Trump and Angela Merkel now agree about the main issues in US-German relations. “The times in which we could rely fully on others — they are a way past us,” Merkel told a beer-tent rally of her political party. “We Europeans really have to take our fate into our own hands.” That is just what President Trump has been telling the Europeans since the beginning of last year’s US election campaign, demanding in particular that Europe pay more for its own defense. Both Trump and Merkel, moreover, say they want the Euro to strengthen against the U.S. dollar. That buries the two bones of contention between Berlin and Washington. Everything else is political posturing and fake news.
The punch line:
The German Chancellor in effect threatens to throw President Trump into the proverbial briar patch, giving him what he wants while appearing to denounce him (see the Disney version).
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Re: Spengler

Post by Doc » Tue May 30, 2017 9:00 am

lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:31 pm
Having an answer for everything is the uncanny feeling of being a lone beta fish in a mason jar. Your reality is protracted to a confined space and you can't see or talk beyond it. Also note the easy tendency to shift into god mode which is almost impossible to avoid if you have an answer for every set element in your reality...'>.....
If we have all the answers then what is the point of asking questions, or existence?
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Re: Spengler

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Tue May 30, 2017 9:12 am

Doc wrote:
Tue May 30, 2017 9:00 am
lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:31 pm
Having an answer for everything is the uncanny feeling of being a lone beta fish in a mason jar. Your reality is protracted to a confined space and you can't see or talk beyond it. Also note the easy tendency to shift into god mode which is almost impossible to avoid if you have an answer for every set element in your reality...'>.....
If we have all the answers then what is the point of asking questions, or existence?
You just simply be...... you've used your intellect, science and technology so you can return to the state of a shell less mollusk and live your unthinking life in bliss.........
Let's try this modelling exercise. Let's envision a world in a parallel universe somewhere let's say, where I'm right.........

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Re: Spengler

Post by Doc » Tue May 30, 2017 9:04 pm

lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Tue May 30, 2017 9:12 am
Doc wrote:
Tue May 30, 2017 9:00 am
lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:31 pm
Having an answer for everything is the uncanny feeling of being a lone beta fish in a mason jar. Your reality is protracted to a confined space and you can't see or talk beyond it. Also note the easy tendency to shift into god mode which is almost impossible to avoid if you have an answer for every set element in your reality...'>.....
If we have all the answers then what is the point of asking questions, or existence?
You just simply be...... you've used your intellect, science and technology so you can return to the state of a shell less mollusk and live your unthinking life in bliss.........
I would rather walk on water

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Re: Spengler

Post by Jim the Moron » Tue May 30, 2017 10:59 pm

We mollusks just like to watch.

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Re: Spengler

Post by Doc » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:53 am

http://www.atimes.com/article/lawyers-civil-war/
The lawyers’ civil war
Trump is under siege by shock troops from the left and right – an illegal and unconstitutional mutiny, says Spengler
The classes and the races to weak to master the new conditions of life must give way {..} They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust --Karl Marx

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