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Goldman on recent Saudi palace coup.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:05 pm
by neverfail
http://www.atimes.com/saudi-arabia-gets ... overnment/

Saudi Arabia gets its first real government

Re: Goldman on recent Saudi palace coup.

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:04 am
by Milo
neverfail wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:05 pm
http://www.atimes.com/saudi-arabia-gets ... overnment/

Saudi Arabia gets its first real government
Nonsense. This is a senior member of the thugocracy using corruption as a pretext to support a massive power grab. The reason for it is the KSA doesn't have the money it used to, so the royals at the centre of power have to grab it in order to keep the spending up.

Funny how Spengler's near constant harping on demographics is silent here, when talking about the country with the biggest demographics problem in the world. The reason Spengler is writing about it in such glowing terms is that his paymasters told him to. 'We need you to find a win for Trump!'

The KSA needs to develop institutions that support democracy, human rights and rule of law. Although this action may lead there, there's no particular reason to think that it will; it never has before.

Re: Goldman on recent Saudi palace coup.

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:32 am
by neverfail
Milo wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:04 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:05 pm
http://www.atimes.com/saudi-arabia-gets ... overnment/

Saudi Arabia gets its first real government
Nonsense. This is a senior member of the thugocracy using corruption as a pretext to support a massive power grab. The reason for it is the KSA doesn't have the money it used to, so the royals at the centre of power have to grab it in order to keep the spending up.

Funny how Spengler's near constant harping on demographics is silent here, when talking about the country with the biggest demographics problem in the world. The reason Spengler is writing about it in such glowing terms is that his paymasters told him to. 'We need you to find a win for Trump!'

The KSA needs to develop institutions that support democracy, human rights and rule of law. Although this action may lead there, there's no particular reason to think that it will; it never has before.
Thanks Milo. That makes sense!

Re: Goldman on recent Saudi palace coup.

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:59 pm
by Doc
Milo wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:04 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:05 pm
http://www.atimes.com/saudi-arabia-gets ... overnment/

Saudi Arabia gets its first real government
Nonsense. This is a senior member of the thugocracy using corruption as a pretext to support a massive power grab. The reason for it is the KSA doesn't have the money it used to, so the royals at the centre of power have to grab it in order to keep the spending up.

Funny how Spengler's near constant harping on demographics is silent here, when talking about the country with the biggest demographics problem in the world. The reason Spengler is writing about it in such glowing terms is that his paymasters told him to. 'We need you to find a win for Trump!'

The KSA needs to develop institutions that support democracy, human rights and rule of law. Although this action may lead there, there's no particular reason to think that it will; it never has before.
I haven't kept up on this much However points I would make
The new apparent first in line to the Saudi thrown is billing himself as a reformer.
http://vision2030.gov.sa/en/foreword
Our Vision: Saudi Arabia.. the heart of the Arab and Islamic worlds, the investment powerhouse, and the hub connecting three continents
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/ ... -democracy
"We are returning to what we were before — a country of moderate Islam that is open to all religions and to the world,
"
The prince's latest high-risk move has gotten rave reviews from Saudis on Twitter, the country's most popular social media outlet. Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, or MBS, as the 32-year-old leader is known, is gambling that he can modernize the ultra-conservative kingdom by consolidating power and mobilizing a generation of young people, say Saudi analysts inside and outside the kingdom.
The Saudi that owns part of Fox News was one of those arrested And as I recall the former first in line to the Saudi thrown that was replaced was more of an Islamist.

Re: Goldman on recent Saudi palace coup.

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:35 pm
by Milo
Doc wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:59 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:04 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:05 pm
http://www.atimes.com/saudi-arabia-gets ... overnment/

Saudi Arabia gets its first real government
Nonsense. This is a senior member of the thugocracy using corruption as a pretext to support a massive power grab. The reason for it is the KSA doesn't have the money it used to, so the royals at the centre of power have to grab it in order to keep the spending up.

Funny how Spengler's near constant harping on demographics is silent here, when talking about the country with the biggest demographics problem in the world. The reason Spengler is writing about it in such glowing terms is that his paymasters told him to. 'We need you to find a win for Trump!'

The KSA needs to develop institutions that support democracy, human rights and rule of law. Although this action may lead there, there's no particular reason to think that it will; it never has before.
I haven't kept up on this much However points I would make
The new apparent first in line to the Saudi thrown is billing himself as a reformer.
http://vision2030.gov.sa/en/foreword
Our Vision: Saudi Arabia.. the heart of the Arab and Islamic worlds, the investment powerhouse, and the hub connecting three continents
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/ ... -democracy
"We are returning to what we were before — a country of moderate Islam that is open to all religions and to the world,
"
The prince's latest high-risk move has gotten rave reviews from Saudis on Twitter, the country's most popular social media outlet. Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, or MBS, as the 32-year-old leader is known, is gambling that he can modernize the ultra-conservative kingdom by consolidating power and mobilizing a generation of young people, say Saudi analysts inside and outside the kingdom.
The Saudi that owns part of Fox News was one of those arrested And as I recall the former first in line to the Saudi thrown that was replaced was more of an Islamist.
The Shah was a reformer too. IOW, success could prove to be MBS's biggest failure.

Re: Goldman on recent Saudi palace coup.

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:29 am
by Doc
Milo wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:35 pm
Doc wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:59 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:04 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:05 pm
http://www.atimes.com/saudi-arabia-gets ... overnment/

Saudi Arabia gets its first real government
Nonsense. This is a senior member of the thugocracy using corruption as a pretext to support a massive power grab. The reason for it is the KSA doesn't have the money it used to, so the royals at the centre of power have to grab it in order to keep the spending up.

Funny how Spengler's near constant harping on demographics is silent here, when talking about the country with the biggest demographics problem in the world. The reason Spengler is writing about it in such glowing terms is that his paymasters told him to. 'We need you to find a win for Trump!'

The KSA needs to develop institutions that support democracy, human rights and rule of law. Although this action may lead there, there's no particular reason to think that it will; it never has before.
I haven't kept up on this much However points I would make
The new apparent first in line to the Saudi thrown is billing himself as a reformer.
http://vision2030.gov.sa/en/foreword
Our Vision: Saudi Arabia.. the heart of the Arab and Islamic worlds, the investment powerhouse, and the hub connecting three continents
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/ ... -democracy
"We are returning to what we were before — a country of moderate Islam that is open to all religions and to the world,
"
The prince's latest high-risk move has gotten rave reviews from Saudis on Twitter, the country's most popular social media outlet. Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, or MBS, as the 32-year-old leader is known, is gambling that he can modernize the ultra-conservative kingdom by consolidating power and mobilizing a generation of young people, say Saudi analysts inside and outside the kingdom.
The Saudi that owns part of Fox News was one of those arrested And as I recall the former first in line to the Saudi thrown that was replaced was more of an Islamist.
The Shah was a reformer too. IOW, success could prove to be MBS's biggest failure.
The Shah once said his big mistake was when he stopped bribing the clerics. The Virtue and vice police are probably not going to like the reforms.

Re: Goldman on recent Saudi palace coup.

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:40 pm
by Milo
So, after no due process whatsoever, a prince is let off after forking over a billion or so dollars.

Saudi anti-corruption drive: Prince Miteb freed 'after $1bn deal'



Nothing new so far!

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42161552

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